9/15 BT update

[unknown]

Chose to delete the message and can't find a delete key

[jccgf]

Thanks for the post. I hadn't seen that, and any word is good. I'm still practicing patience and peace :).

Cara

[LIZARD]

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks so much for this! All I keep getting is a blank page. :( This is excellent news. :)



LIZARD :)

[Username]

Thank you for the update Unknown.

Linda

Edited: (Not directed at Unknown's post) It takes so little to start it all up again. It's been hashed to death, can it not be put to rest. Argh....

[Thelma]

09.15.06 In case there are some that can see this message, John Lester now has the disks to reintall the OS & recover the database from backups. Thanks for your patience, David



The fact that the message is there says to me it could have been changed and further information given out all along by this 3 dimensional person.

The fact that it wasn't says to me that he doesn't take US as anythilng but an ego trip for him.

Braintalk has been absolutely cruel and inhuman in it's treatment of it's members and to even suggest that an apology will suffice is rude and ridiculous.

To err is human...............to forgive is divine..............but thils message to me says nothing because the mod said the tapes had arrived on the 5th as stated by John and it is now the 18th.

David is still there playing with the minds of those who are ill and sick.

I fully realize just how much he has had to bear with his lifelong ailment and I make allowances for the medications and that but many on here do as well and they do not revel in treating other human beings so callously bordering on personal cruelty.

So "doc" lets get this ball rolling here and get to the business of showing the world that indeed as one human being falls or fails in their promises there will always be another to pick up the gauntlet.

I Braintalk1 coming back again................really.........well I no longer care

With respect Thelma

[MissCat]

He was suppose to have gotten the disks on 9/5 which is about 2 weeks ago. At this rate, he may have BT1 up by the new year.

[Kamie]

Sorry, I do not buy the whole thing anymore. Yes, I am a bit jaded.

I think that someone is just updating OBT as they see the constant complaints about the outage here.

I have a few questions.

Why couldn't he have moved a forum up on another one of his servers?

Why are other sites he runs up and running? He could have moved server space and just hosted a temporary server. It is not THAT hard to do.

That is my biggest beef with OBT. There is a lack of transparency and the place is run with an iron fist with no wiggle room for compromise. I do not like that. And after I got booted from chat for even daring to mention this place, I have had enough and do not even want to donate money to them ever again because I do not like how it is ran at all.

Now to be completely hyprocritical, if it ever gets revived I probably will still post there because I have friends who are still there who do not know about this place yet. I will spend more time here than there because I like this place a lot more and am pretty much sold on getting this place set up and really going. It is time for a change.

[Kamie]

By the way, that message was not posted last night. That was new. I still think they are checking the messages here to see what people are saying about all of this.

[MissCat]

When JL asked for donations for the last crash 4/05 he said that getting the better hardware and stuff would prevent having another disasterous crash. Well 14 months later (BT1 crashed in July) we have an unrecoverable crash with both hardware and software problems. The explanations do not make sense. For someone who is supposedily technical savy, BT1 seems to not matter anymore.

[Kamie]

Let's just be honest, he could have easily rented out a server away from him and hosted it for a month or two offsite. There are many options out there for getting things back up and running. He has lost a bit of trust in my book.

[mrsD]

When I type in the address:

The web site address you entered could not be found.
Please try the related content suggestions and paid advertisements below, or try another search.
You entered "www.brain.hastypastry.net ".

I used to get a logo of the OBT communities, but clicking on forums gave
me a white blank screen, with no updates. So perhaps it has all gone down by this afternoon? This is with Earthlink ISP. I sure wish I understood computers better.

Thanks for posting the update!

[Bobbi]

I get a blank page, as well, when I go to:

http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/


I see the logo when opening:

http://brain.hastypastry.net/


That's using MS IE. When using Opera, this is what I see while opening:

http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/


There seems to have been a problem with the BrainTalk Communities database.
Please try again by clicking the Refresh button in your web browser.

An E-Mail has been dispatched to our Technical Staff, whom you can also contact if the problem persists.

We apologise for any inconvenience.

[dorry]

mrsd - it's because you have www. before your link.

the correct link is:


http://brain.hastypastry.net/

to the status message add /forums:

http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/

[dorry]

I'm getting the vbulletin status msg fine.

ps- at least david is trying to post what he knows as he knows it. you can tell he's not very technical to jam the 9/15 update on the bottom of the 8/24 msg.

He may be in the dark as much as the rest of us as to what/when/if ever.

[Bobbi]

Hmmm, that's the link I used, Dorry, and I've tried it in MS IE, Opera, and Netscape.

Thanks for posting the updated status message (since I sure can't see it) :).

[dorry]

here's the current msg (same as b4)

UPDATE 08.24.06 It has taken me much longer than expected to at least get the front page here and chatrooms running. I ran into the need to update the operating system, which caused more problems (the OS is broken to the point where I cannot run incremental updates). I'm waiting for the latest full version of OSX Server on CDs so I can do a full wipe of the drives and reinstall everything from scratch. Disks should arrive in the mail on Sept 5th the latest. Once that's here, I'll install the newest version of vBulletin and recover as much of the data from backups as I possibly can. I'm so sorry the system has been down for as long as it has. Every step forward I've taken to try and restore things seems to knock me 2 steps back, plus I have been travelling for work a great deal the past month. But I think I see the light at the end of the tunnel. Thanks for hanging in there. To get to the BrainTalk chatrooms, please visit: http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/chat/flashchat.php UPDATE 09.15.06 In case there are some that can see this message, John Lester now has the disks to reintall the OS & recover the database from backups. Thanks for your patience, David

[dorry]

lol

UPDATE 09.15.06 In case there are some that can see this message,

You can tell poor david isn't even sure how to edit the vbulletin msg. At least his IS trying.

poor guy!

[anonymous_no_more]

http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/

gets me there, has updated info from David, that, although hardly a novel or masterpiece, does provide some info (IE6.0)

As it concerns this terrible "disappointment" towards JL, David and BT, I can only suggest, as others have (on other threads), that we take a wait and see attitude before allowing such emotional outrage to fester in our minds.

Some are expressing such a level of upset, anger, disdain, cynicism towards this issue/JL...that, were I in his shoes, I would expect that I would never in this lifetime [or any other] be able to "explain" anything to anyone to the extent that they would like or accept; or that any explanation of "why" I could not get everything up and running, and/or keep everyone updated, would fall on deaf/unforgiving ears...

I suppose I am quite frankly surprised to see so many who claimed genuine care/concern for both BT and JL, have written it/him off, and devilized his actions or should we say, inaction. Cynicism can be a circular creature.

But, that is just my opinion. It is a given that there is a loss, and/or that BT members feel let down, but come on...moral outrage [of the type/depth appearing here at BT2] is usually reserved for those that purposely cause physical or bodily harm to others; kick dogs; or push sticks into the carcasses of animals laying dead/or dying by the side of the road.:eek:

[Bobbi]

Thank you, also, Dorry, for posting the status message along with the update. I appreciate it :).

[stevem53]

I agree with Thelma..Its gotten to the point where it no longer matters what becomes of BT-1

[Chemar]

I still get only blank pages with no message nomatter which link I follow and nomatter which browser, or computer that I use :confused: I used to see the 8/24 update message before beginning of Sept when the blank screen appeared and has remained for me

As one of the adminstrators of OBT is already registered here as a member, I remain puzzled as to why he just doesnt provide us with updates here himself

http://forums.braintalk2.org/member.php?u=297

For the sake of the many members of BT who are still out there is cyberspace without their lifeline, I sincerely hope that they do in fact get it up and running asap.

[Curious]

i say good luck to bt1.

many many people are waiting for it to be back. many don't know there are alternatives. in the whole scheme of things, the most important thing to me is that people get the support and help they need. from where ever.

we are here to stay. some will go. some will stay. some will post both places. it's big big www out there. plenty of room for us all.

so for those that plan on staying after bt1 gets back up, i hope you will get and give all the support you need. :D

((((((((((((((hugs and choccy))))))))))))))

[mrsD]

without the www. ...sigh.

Thanks anyway Dorry.

my links in favorites are without the www. and they don't work either.

[dorry]

don't know what the remedy is, because clearly there are some boinker issues with their server.

splain this one:



I can't ping the website (ping blocked probably) but I can access the page in IE.6

[dorry]

see below

and a few more characters to reach 10 :)

[dorry]

router blocking pings.. it's out there

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/tracert.ch?ip=199.201.145.187+

[DocJohn]

It's a mystery to me as well why we don't have any direct communications from any one of the board members of Braintalk or JL himself.

Just a reminder -- we're going to keep only one thread open at any time about BT1 until it comes back online. At that time, I assume and hope we can go back to feedback and suggestions about *this* forum! :)

So please, this is the open thread, put any comments or feedback you want to share with others about BT1 here for the time being. Thank you!

John

[paula_w]

I laughed out loud at this....warning: it's a joke involving BT1...but it's a visually funny one. Scroll down to stevem53. i didn't ask steve's permission so direct unhappiness at me, but it's easier to just get a hoot out of it imo,

paula

http://forums.braintalk2.org/showthread.php?t=991

[Doody]

I agree with Mrs. D. And curious as well. (And I still get the updates on Firefox and clean my files, history etc. every day! Go figure.)

It will be nice when BT1 is back up again. But, it's also been nice to have a place to express our opinions. I worry for some of us that have expressed openly any dissatisfaction with what happened in the past and is happening now as far as posting again at BT1. It will be interesting to see if an iron fist is plopped down on those who freely expressed dissatisfaction. I know of another board, completely unrelated to here, that was warned not to openly 'bash' BT1 or there would be legal repercussions.

It does surprise me all over again at the lack of updates since one of the mods from BT1 is a member here and I'm sure has read plenty.

Anyway, thanks for pointing out the update! I check there nearly every day and I didn't scroll down to see the new update. I'd suggest to Mr. Hosobuschi that he put the newest updates at the top. That would be more helpful. All I saw was the 8/24 update til I saw this thread.

Thanks again.

Edited to say...Mrs. D, your 'avatar' cracks me up!

[Chemar]

Just a reminder -- we're going to keep only one thread open at any time about BT1 until it comes back online. At that time, I assume and hope we can go back to feedback and suggestions about *this* forum! :)

John


Yesssss!! Thanks for that DocJohn, and for the positive way this community is growing, thanks to you:)

[mrsD]

Perhaps we should just turn it over to some kittens! LOL

My little one here can remove red X's after all! :p

[paula_w]

Is this the PMS forum? Who needs mods when you can be scolded by the members? Lighten up, DJ designated this as the open thread for comments. Oh did he screw up again too?

It isn't just about you or anyone else. Lighten up, he''s trying to narrow it down.

paula

[Mama Bear]

After all of the comments made here at BT2 vilifying John Lester, Braintalk, the moderators, and the wild speculations, the what if's and how come's, the slander, the rock throwing, and the overall griping -- I wouldn't blame John Lester if he just threw up his hands and walked away from Braintalk altogether.

Who would want to spend the time, money and energy to keep Braintalk going after being dragged for days behind this virtual verbal garbage truck?

You wanted an update. You got an update. But, you're not happy with that update. You want more. You aren't happy with the messenger either, so you skewer him as well.

You are perturbed with John Lester because you thought the disks arrived on Sept. 5, and now it's Sept. 18, and still no Braintalk. Just a reminder folks, John Lester isn't your cable guy. He doesn't have to give us a 4 hour window on the necessary repairs.

Put yourselves in John Lester's shoes, and then read the things that you have said about him. What if dozens of people were writing these terrible things about YOU on this or any other discussion forum? How would you feel?

John Lester is a human being, who experiences and feels the same things that you do. He is technologically talented, but he isn't the technology.

You seem to think that he has to explain and defend himself. If I were him, I wouldn't want to face this firing squad now. It's fairly evident that no matter what he says, fault will still be found with him.

Wouldn't you feel awful if you found out that John Lester was ill all of this time, and he didn't say anything, because he didn't want to worry or upset anyone, or because he wanted some privacy?

John isn't our servant or our employee. He doesn't exist to do only our bidding. And he voluntarily created and has sustained Braintalk all of these years. Braintalk isn't his job. Braintalk is what he does in his spare/free time to help us.

He's the reason that every one of us (save a few new non-former BT'ers) are here on this site. If there had not been a Braintalk, there would be no Braintalk 2.

If Braintalk benefits John Lester's career, that's another wonderful outcome of the community, which he established. How can anyone begrudge him that?

Disgruntled folks here are declaring that when/if Braintalk is up and running, they will not return but will stay here at BT2. I'll venture to guess that many of you, who are forswearing returning to Braintalk, will post again there when/if it returns, or at least read there on a regular basis, or use it for information.

It's not as though we have to pay to subscribe to Braintalk. And those of us who donated did so voluntarily to help John and to keep Braintalk available. Typically, when we donate to a charity, we don't expect to get anything in return. But in this case, we did get something: Braintalk.

John is a pioneer. He imagined a need for a place on the internet, where people with (or caring for a loved one with) a neurologic condition could meet and discuss their conditions, treatments, experiences, and feelings. Then he created that place, maintained it, improved it with more features, and found a way to keep it going after he no longer had the MGH umbrella.

Regardless of the reason for Braintalk's downtime or sparse and spare updates, John Lester deserves our gratitude and respect. He certainly doesn't deserve the mistreatment and disdain he has received here on this forum.

Patience and forgiveness are virtues, because they are very difficult to implement. How about if we all work on developing these two virtues? You'll be surprised how much better they will make you feel.

Mama Bear

[stevem53]

Is this the PMS forum? Who needs mods when you can be scolded by the members? Lighten up, DJ designated this as the open thread for comments. Oh did he screw up again too?

It isn't just about you or anyone else. Lighten up, he''s trying to narrow it down.

paula


I think this is the anger management forum...:D

[Thelma]

Come on now and get off the pot.

No one is slandering anyone here. That they are asking for a response to their question of it returning and what is the matter is not to be misread as labelling John or Braintalk.

They deserve a response as they and they alone are the reason he has what he has today. It well could have been someone else in his shoes.

As for his underling boo

[always-aching]

Well said Mama Bear. Could not have said it better myself.

[DocJohn]

Two things --

1. I designated one thread for continued BT1 discussion because I don't want this community to get "stuck" in a mode where every discussion about our community turns back to BT1. Everybody has had their chance to express their feelings about what's happened, so I'm hoping we're coming to some "closure" with that.

2. I sincerely hope that someone who runs a community that had over 40,000 members doesn't assume that a dozen or two people who've expressed some frustration or anger here about the events somehow speaks for the other 39,975 members. Frustration and anger over the events that have occurred are normal emotions to have and it is a natural reaction to what happened. Expecting people to act like they *don't* care and aren't allowed to express negative emotions would seem to be more fake and artificial.

In virtually every thread where this was brought up, I also saw many of those same people (virtually everyone here) express their heart-felt appreciation as well for JL's work. So it's not like it's been a one-way street of "slander" and "rock throwing."

John

[LIZARD]

Hey, DocJohn. :)

I'm willing to bet that, like me, they're just frustrated and concerned (for the most part). We had a family over there, as many of us had been there for years and are on several of the boards, and when families get uptight and upset, their members often say things they wish they could take back. I would suggest to some of them that they write it and then erase it, just to "get it out." I'm not trying to defend their behavior; I think they need to show some restraint, personally. I do understand it to some degree, though. I'm just grateful to you for giving us a place to be, for the time being, or even in addition to. :)

Thanks so much!

LIZARD :)

[paula_w]

Who would understand the expression here - both positive and negative, better tban John Lester? That's why he created forums in the first place.

Problems are arising from people trying to control what is said or felt by others - you can't do it. You can disagree, but there's a way to do that without spanking before bedtime.

Steve how about a round of "I Feel Pretty"?

Unknown - I understand that you are frustrated with thread interruptions. It will all settle eventually. it doesn't happen overnight.

Paula
[had to see the move Anger Management to understand I Feel Pretty.]

[stevem53]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/slowhand_01/joe_viterelli4.jpg

MARIA
I feel pretty
Oh so pretty
I feel pretty and witty and gay
And I pity
Any girl who isn't me today
I feel charming
Oh so charming
It's alarming how charming I feel
And so pretty
That I hardly can believe I'm real
See the pretty girl in that mirror there?
Who can that attractive girl be?
Such a pretty face
Such a pretty dress
Such a pretty smile
Such a pretty me!
I feel stunning
And entrancing
Feel like running
And dancing for joy
For I'm loved
By a pretty wonderful boy
GIRLS
Have you met my good friend Maria
The craziest girl on the block?
You'll know her the minute you see her
She's the one who is in an advanced state of shock
She thinks she's in love
She thinks she's in Spain
She isn't in love
She's merely insane
It must be the heat
Or some rare disease
Or too much to eat
Or maybe it's fleas
Keep away from her
Send for Chino
This is not the Maria we know
Modest and pure
Polite and refined
Well-bred and mature
And out of her mind!
Miss America, Miss America, speech!
Miss America, bravo, speech!
MARIA
I feel pretty
Oh so pretty
That the city should give me its key
A committee
Should be organized to honour me
I feel dizzy
I feel sunny
I feel fizzy and funny and fine
And so pretty
Miss America can just resign
See the pretty girl in that mirror there
(What mirror, where?)
Who can that attractive girl be?
(Which, what, where, whom?)
Such a pretty face
Such a pretty dress
Such a pretty smile
Such a pretty me!
MARIA & GIRLS
I feel stunning
And entrancing
Feel like running and dancing for joy
For I'm loved
By a pretty wonderful boy

[paula_w]

hahahahahahahahaha ......not today unknown, but eventually......smile!
paula

[Alffe]

ROFL@Steve............They are pretty pretty.

[Curious]

hehehe...so now all of bt2 has a song stuck in their heads. rofl...

i wonder what that will do to the cosmos....lol

now back to the regularly scheduled program....:D

[Username]

Is this the PMS forum? Who needs mods when you can be scolded by the members? Lighten up, DJ designated this as the open thread for comments. Oh did he screw up again too?

It isn't just about you or anyone else. Lighten up, he''s trying to narrow it down.

paula


Ahhh, it just gives me the warm fuzzies all over to come here in the morning and see the compassion just abounding. It looks to me like there might have been a little bid of "scolding" in this post too.

I was giving it one more day to see if people that post here couldn't be nice to each other. I see it hasn't happened, and it probably won't ever happen.

[paula_w]

Ahhh, it just gives me the warm fuzzies all over to come here in the morning and see the compassion just abounding.

I was giving it one more day to see if people that post here couldn't be nice to each other. I see it hasn't happened, and it probably won't ever happen.

Assuming you are calling me less than compassionate, I'm not falling for that. This is forum feedback not the health room. I'm sick too, we're all sick or we wouldn't be here. There is information and plenty of compassion in the PD room. Here, as you reinforced, people just pick at each other. I'm not accepting responsibility if you leave, sorry.

paula

[Curious]

usename, i am sorry that you feel like there was scolding. personally i don't see it, but i respect that you do.

this thread is open to the whole forum. just as you post your updates and feeling, so can others. there is an ignore feature if certain members and their replies offend you.

i do hope you realize that even the ot replies keep your thread and the updates bumped up so more people read them and are aware.

your updates are appreciated. as you have seen, many of the members browsers keep bringing them to blank or old pages.

<-----offers a brownie and mug of hazelnut coffee as a peace offering...not a hijack. :)

[Chemar]

dear Username,
if you would look around a bit more I think you would find that the majority of members here are doing a whole lot of compassion and caring and sharing, and that threads abound on all the forums here displaying just that!

Most of us really just want to get on with what BrainTalk was designed to be...a place for support and sharing of info, experiences and knowledge.

Everytime someone keeps up the "battle" here, whichever side it is, someone gets hurt.:(
Isnt it time for both sides just to stop now..............PLEEEEEEEZ:) and just get on with building each other up instead of tearing each other apart.

http://www.loa-now.com/images/photo.jpg

[evie]

Fact:
brain.hastypastry.net won't work for all browsers. You must have javascript turned on for the link on that page to work as it is routed via google analytics.

So, if you use a browser that has javascript turned off, you won't get anywhere using the link on the main page. If you are anywhere where google analytics may be inaccessible you won't be able to use that link either.

In any case, the link on the main page goes to http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums which, for some at least, is a not really existing page somewhere in limbo. http://brain.hastypastry.net/forum/ (note the missing "s") gets you to a existing page with yet another msg from JL from July 20.

Assumption:
google analytics may route you to different locations depending on certain parameters (geographical location comes to mind)...otoh, if you use a so-called proxy server you may end up in a different location again as the proxy server may lag behind (imagine a proxy server as an immense temporary repository being stored at your providers place for pages that are called up). There are other reasons why the effect we are seeing can happen but, especially if the page(s) with the admin messages are moved around
servers/places/machines, these 2 are 2 of the most probable reasons.

-----

I tend to agree with Mama Bear. There is no obligation, except moral, for JL to rebuild the forums. And JL is actually doing exactly what he did before. He put up 1 msg to explain what happened and then there was silence. Have a look at some of the stuff that is still there from earlier crashes. He put up 1 msg then silence until he could report it is all fixed now and only a matter of a little more time until everything is up and running. The only difference to those times is that this time it is taking months instead of weeks.

This crash did happen at a very bad time as far as hardware replacement is concerned. Apple Computer is phasing out the type of machine that the forums were running on, replacing it with a new one. For the ones who keep track of these things, Apple is switching the G4/G5 xserves to Intel. Right now, it isn't possible anymore to order an old one and the new ones aren't ready for ordering yet (talking from my POV here in Europe).
This isn't meant to make excuses for JL as the situation was quite different in July when the crash happened but I am also not going to attack him as he he may just have put his paying job/other things that are none of our business first.

Whatever the reason...it may sound hard but one lesson to be learnt is that 1 single forum should not be a life line and one shouldn't rely on one forum to be around forever. Another lesson to be learnt is that people who run forums are just human beings...with strengths and weaknesses. JL was put on a pedestal by many and he has now been changed from a saint into a devil. He is neither, he is just another human being.

cheers
eve

[paula_w]

Somehow I didn't think you would like the song.....toodles I'm not feeding those who want to fight. Read it all again with both sides of the issue in mind.

paula

[Curious]

unknown,

if you added the current update link to your signature line, it would be easy to find. just a thought. :o ( as zs did with the link to bt1 flash chat )

[Curious]

i am sorry unknown. it might even be the fact that the two names looks a like when quick reading. i even had to look twice.

yours are appreciated too. i didn't mean to not mention you. :o

<------offers unknown 2 brownies and mug of joe. :D

but i really do like my idea of the updated links on the siggy line. then your updates will show up all over the board where you post. :)

[Username]

Somehow I didn't think you would like the song.....toodles I'm not feeding those who want to fight. Read it all again with both sides of the issue in mind.

paula

Then you'll probably starve.

P.S. if you're referring to the "I Feel pretty song"? Actually, I love it and thought it was very funny.

[artist]

Er...hmmm! (clears throat loudly), and moving swiftly right along...

Evie,

Very many thanks for your brilliantly clear explanation of the "message page" mystery. Especial thanks for taking the time and trouble. :)
all the best.

[Thelma]

Well said and needs to be read again.


Fact:
brain.hastypastry.net won't work for all browsers. You must have javascript turned on for the link on that page to work as it is routed via google analytics.

So, if you use a browser that has javascript turned off, you won't get anywhere using the link on the main page. If you are anywhere where google analytics may be inaccessible you won't be able to use that link either.

In any case, the link on the main page goes to http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums which, for some at least, is a not really existing page somewhere in limbo. http://brain.hastypastry.net/forum/ (note the missing "s") gets you to a existing page with yet another msg from JL from July 20.

Assumption:
google analytics may route you to different locations depending on certain parameters (geographical location comes to mind)...otoh, if you use a so-called proxy server you may end up in a different location again as the proxy server may lag behind (imagine a proxy server as an immense temporary repository being stored at your providers place for pages that are called up). There are other reasons why the effect we are seeing can happen but, especially if the page(s) with the admin messages are moved around
servers/places/machines, these 2 are 2 of the most probable reasons.

-----

I tend to agree with Mama Bear. There is no obligation, except moral, for JL to rebuild the forums. And JL is actually doing exactly what he did before. He put up 1 msg to explain what happened and then there was silence. Have a look at some of the stuff that is still there from earlier crashes. He put up 1 msg then silence until he could report it is all fixed now and only a matter of a little more time until everything is up and running. The only difference to those times is that this time it is taking months instead of weeks.

This crash did happen at a very bad time as far as hardware replacement is concerned. Apple Computer is phasing out the type of machine that the forums were running on, replacing it with a new one. For the ones who keep track of these things, Apple is switching the G4/G5 xserves to Intel. Right now, it isn't possible anymore to order an old one and the new ones aren't ready for ordering yet (talking from my POV here in Europe).
This isn't meant to make excuses for JL as the situation was quite different in July when the crash happened but I am also not going to attack him as he he may just have put his paying job/other things that are none of our business first.

Whatever the reason...it may sound hard but one lesson to be learnt is that 1 single forum should not be a life line and one shouldn't rely on one forum to be around forever. Another lesson to be learnt is that people who run forums are just human beings...with strengths and weaknesses. JL was put on a pedestal by many and he has now been changed from a saint into a devil. He is neither, he is just another human being.

cheers
eve

[anonymous_no_more]

Fact:
brain.hastypastry.net won't work for all browsers. You must have javascript turned on for the link on that page to work as it is routed via google analytics.

So, if you use a browser that has javascript turned off, you won't get anywhere using the link on the main page. If you are anywhere where google analytics may be inaccessible you won't be able to use that link either.

In any case, the link on the main page goes to http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums which, for some at least, is a not really existing page somewhere in limbo. http://brain.hastypastry.net/forum/ (note the missing "s") gets you to a existing page with yet another msg from JL from July 20.

Assumption:
google analytics may route you to different locations depending on certain parameters (geographical location comes to mind)...otoh, if you use a so-called proxy server you may end up in a different location again as the proxy server may lag behind (imagine a proxy server as an immense temporary repository being stored at your providers place for pages that are called up). There are other reasons why the effect we are seeing can happen but, especially if the page(s) with the admin messages are moved around
servers/places/machines, these 2 are 2 of the most probable reasons.

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I tend to agree with Mama Bear. There is no obligation, except moral, for JL to rebuild the forums. And JL is actually doing exactly what he did before. He put up 1 msg to explain what happened and then there was silence. Have a look at some of the stuff that is still there from earlier crashes. He put up 1 msg then silence until he could report it is all fixed now and only a matter of a little more time until everything is up and running. The only difference to those times is that this time it is taking months instead of weeks.

This crash did happen at a very bad time as far as hardware replacement is concerned. Apple Computer is phasing out the type of machine that the forums were running on, replacing it with a new one. For the ones who keep track of these things, Apple is switching the G4/G5 xserves to Intel. Right now, it isn't possible anymore to order an old one and the new ones aren't ready for ordering yet (talking from my POV here in Europe).
This isn't meant to make excuses for JL as the situation was quite different in July when the crash happened but I am also not going to attack him as he he may just have put his paying job/other things that are none of our business first.

Whatever the reason...it may sound hard but one lesson to be learnt is that 1 single forum should not be a life line and one shouldn't rely on one forum to be around forever. Another lesson to be learnt is that people who run forums are just human beings...with strengths and weaknesses. JL was put on a pedestal by many and he has now been changed from a saint into a devil. He is neither, he is just another human being.

cheers
eve


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Eve
Thank you for posting the technical information above. As to the other observation; we are on the same page in that regards...

[flowergirl]

MamaBear ~ Thanks for your post!

Unknown ~ Thanks for your posts!

Two voices of strength, reason.

Granola Liberal... you're right. shouldn't have been here.

[mrsD]

I for one appreciate all the updates provided here by everyone.

I could see the July 20th link Thelma provided. But not the other.

I think JL understands us more than we realize. I don't think he will take
much of the posting here personally or hold grudges. He could not have run OBT for as long as he
did, if that were the case.

I am sure HE gets mad and frustrated at things himself.

I don't understand computers very well, except to type on them, and run some software. The internet totally confuses me! DUH.

[flowergirl]

yes... see my original post

[Thelma]

We all have not taken into consideration that the sites on Linden Labs are also a part of Braintalk and as such their private forum there is unavailable as well.

The 3 sites at Linden as well as the Braintalk forums are all under the same non-profit organization so as such when one is effected all are at the basic level.

There is where I am confused at the time he is taking to rectify it.

But "doc" is right.

The talking is only leading to more and more frustration and that will bring on the worst of all of our natures.

I don't think we need the Braintalk update anymore at all as this site by your own words seems to be sufficient for your needs and if not it is becoming more so every day.

The confusion of rehashing the story is right now leading to bad feelings between some here.

Lets end it before it becomes the norm and the heavy moderation comes in.

Because if he needs to do it I am sure "doc" will do it if only to protect his site here.

Lets give him an alterantive. for our sakes as well as for his.

Bet you never thought I would be saying this but my change in attitude has been in the proving of me being wrong in the first place.

Take care everyone

TAKE CARE OF YOU AND YOURS AND ALL ELSE WILL FALL INTO PLACE

[Bobbi]

Linden Lab sites are that. They are not a part of BrainTalk Communities. SecondLife is a part of Linden Lab, however.

This is the domain for Linden Lab, which is, in fact, the brainchild of Philip Rosedale, not JL:

http://lindenlab.com/

Linden Lab has its own employees; the security problem that had affected SecondLife was addressed by Linden Lab/SecondLife, and the hole was sealed - as I posted previously (in a different thread). JL just happens to be employed by Linden Lab. Philip R. and JL are also two completely unique people, as well. Wanna see :):

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2005/08/01/BUGQADVKFD1.DTL&o=2

[Thelma]

I am not talking about Linden labs as such merely the sites John has bought into.

Those that are under the umbrella of Braintalk non-profit rules and regulations only.

As you have noted the numeral 3 should be 2.

BUT

I included the Braintalk site in that so the actual number is still 3.

What is your point?

Think I am getting too testy for any more posting about this post so will just let it ride it's path to oblivion.

[Kamie]

I do understand that the dead horse is getting beaten to an even bloodier pulp.

It is time to move on from the angst. To everything there is a season. If it is time for OBT to go into oblivion, then we have no real choice but to accept that, mourn, and move on.

I think it is also time to lay our bellyaching and complaining about OBT to rest and start making this place kick major butt. :)

[dorry]

Lets give him an alterantive. for our sakes as well as for his.

Bet you never thought I would be saying this but my change in attitude has been in the proving of me being wrong in the first place.



thelma you inspire me. http://geocities.com/braintalkgeeks/dorry/pics/rose.gif we are all evolving and it's nice the way we have all hung in there with each others differences.

looking forward to getting to know everyone here on all levels. from one day to the next we all face different challenges and I never take a day or two at face value.

[dorry]

I am not talking about Linden labs as such merely the sites John has bought into.

Those that are under the umbrella of Braintalk non-profit rules and regulations only.


i think i know the one you are talking about, Thelma. The one that was listed on the forum list at BT for 2nd life. You're right that one is down too.

[*KJ*]

I hope the last few posts mean that people have released their frustrations. I am frustrated too...I miss a lot of people...I am trying to be patient, maybe we can start a new thread about that...

MamaBear ~ Thanks for your post!

Unknown ~ Thanks for your posts!

Two voices of strength, reason.

Granola Liberal... you're right. shouldn't have been here.

I agree whole heartedly, and am thankful for the nuggets of information that I found in this lengthy thread!

KJ

[SallyC]

I just want to acknowledge and thank all for update and super geek info. I espescially want to thank DocJ for his allowing this venting for both sides, and yes, now it is time to move on with BT2. Unless, of course, someone new has something to say. :cool:

Thanks again and Choccy to All.:D

[anonymous_no_more]

dang...I didn't realize how much a dead horse could be "beaten"...are there any parts left that haven't been beaten into vapor?

dang...another analogy/image: pissing contest. :eek:

or: BATTER UP!

I'll now do the right thing, and log out.

[Doody]

Unknown, I appreciated the update. I said thanks for the update, but admittedly didn't scroll back to see who had made the post. And I can forget things pretty quickly. I use pretty much the same link as all else. Mine is http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/index.php?

I remember something John Lester said a long time ago. That we all have to take into consideration that the forum members have all kinds of issues, physically and emotionally, and that we need to realize that when reading the posts.

With all the pains, aches, neurological issues, etc., I don't think we can all be feeling up to par when we post.

That said, LOL at I feel pretty. I started singing it immediately. I have sung that song to myself so many times in a delightfully shrill falsetto voice that scared even my cats. :D I like the occasional interjection of humor. Laughter is healthy.

[Junie]

I know that I am on a new med that has left me with severe memory issues.......for example I have 2 pump knots on my head/forehead and have no idea of how they got there so that could be happening to others as well, I forget a post as soon as I read it these days thanks to Lyrica.....but it kicks *** with the nerve pain so what can you do????:)

[Doody]

Boy howdie Junie! A lot of us, I think, know that all too well! Then add to that an age factor (though I still say I'm 29, that's my story, and I'm stickin to it), ADD, depression, a host of physical whoas, and those MEDS!!!!! I can forget a word I was going to say just as it's coming out of my mouth! And I can stray from a topic at the drop of a hat and totally confuse everyone around me.

But I do know I definitely appreciate Unknown's update.

Unknown, I hope you will keep us informed the next time you see an update, and thanks! It was very much appreciated!

For Unknown (and anyone else that needs them)...

http://home.mchsi.com/~njp/emoticons/heartanim.gif

[dorry]

boy can I relate too! that's what I love about conversing with people with not necessarily mutual interests (but sometimes that bonus too as we get to know each other)....but definitely can understand where everyone is coming from and hopefully they can overlook me from time to time. when I get real tired like now, I become the queen of run on sentences and paragraphs so watchout :p

you guys are the best

[janster]

Perhaps we should just turn it over to some kittens! LOL My little one here can remove red X's after all! :p
Hiya Mrs D~
All this time I thought it was a polar bear! Seriously! :o Man did I do a double take when I took the time to really look after I read this..... .:eek:

Thought you'd get a kick outta my blonde moment.... :p
Hugs,
Jan

[SallyC]

Well, Janster, I'm a blonde too, and I thought it was a bear.:p I, also had to do a double take, when Mrs D posted that it was a cat..:D

I love it Mrs. D. Really original.

[ZombieSlayer]

Hiya Mrs D~
All this time I thought it was a polar bear! Seriously! :o Man did I do a double take when I took the time to really look after I read this..... .:eek:

Thought you'd get a kick outta my blonde moment.... :p
Hugs,
Jan

Oh wow...I thought it was a polar bear too :eek: So don't feel bad Janster :)

[dorry]

Well, Janster, I'm a blonde too, and I thought it was a bear.:p I, also had to do a double take, when Mrs D posted that it was a cat..:D

I love it Mrs. D. Really original.

oh jeez - I thought it was a missing picture red X and couldn't figure out what mrs d's children or grandchildren were doing with them (little ones)

yikes! I amazed how differently each one of us can read the same thing :eek:

[hannahbanana]

oh jeez - I thought it was a missing picture red X and couldn't figure out what mrs d's children or grandchildren were doing with them (little ones)

yikes! I amazed how differently each one of us can read the same thing :eek:

I thought it was a lost linked picture myself with that "x" (I guess that's the point of it though). It was only after people kept talking about what they were seeing that I took another look.

I did think it was a cat though. Polar bear? When's the last time anyone saw a polar bear? Funny how that was the first guess from more than one... I don't even know the last time I've even thought the words "polar bear". :D

[janster]

Oh whew!!! Thanks for fessing up guys! I really thought it was just me!

Doncha just wonder how many hits Mrs. D's profile has gotten in the last 12 hours?? :confused: TOO FUNNY!!

Polar bear? When's the last time anyone saw a polar bear?
When's the last time Marlin Perkins was on TV?? That'd be MY answer! :D

Hugs,
Jan

[Buttons]

Well, I know I had severe withdrawals from all my BT friends!

Didn't bother reading all the previous posts on this thread....guess some people are rather perturbed with John Lester.....

Anyway,I'm just grateful to be back & hope some others' will also find this new site,getting nothing but blank pages was very frustrating!

I discovered this site by changing my search engine from Yahoo to Google!

Take care everyone!
Buttons

[fran]

I miss BT, shame on all of you who have been slamming john and david,I really apprecaite Dr john making this place, its brought many of us over a tough spot, But really,think, john has given his time for free for years,David too, you think they would keep BT down purposly? i dont think so!! Get over yourselves, I've talked to David,hes very upset, worried about everyone and whats going on.Shame on you. Instead of critizing why not a bit of support.. they were here for us for years, Thank you Dr. john for this place.They are even coming to BT now to advertise this place,how do you feel about that?its against the rules here I see. I'll not forget your generosity Dr john..thank you.nor will i forget the poison that has been spread by people with nothing better to do than make others look bad. I question why?

[Doody]

They are even coming to BT now to advertise this place. Where is that?

And I thought this had died down. It upsets me that you're bringing up those names again.

I think for the most part people got stuff off their chests, which I think for the most part they deserved to do. And now they are trying to move on. Some waiting for BT, some not, I don't know. One person you speak of upset a whole lot of people as well.

I hope someone locks this and updates can be made somewhere else, or something, I dunno. We'll all just start goin off again.

[stevem53]

I miss BT, shame on all of you who have been slamming john and david,I really apprecaite Dr john making this place, its brought many of us over a tough spot, But really,think, john has given his time for free for years,David too, you think they would keep BT down purposly? i dont think so!! Get over yourselves, I've talked to David,hes very upset, worried about everyone and whats going on.Shame on you. Instead of critizing why not a bit of support.. they were here for us for years, Thank you Dr. john for this place,I'm sorry and embarrased that small minds have polluted your attempt to give us a "safe" and " friendly" place to go while BT recovers.They are even coming to BT now to advertise this place,how do you feel about that?its against the rules here I see. I'll not forget your generosity Dr john..thank you.nor will i forget the poison that has been spread by silly little people with nothing better to do than make others look bad. I question why?


Ya know fran..Not for nuthin but a little bit of communication from John Lester would be nice.Whats it been now, close to 3 months?..I appreciate what John Lester has done in the past too, but to leave 50,000 members in the dark?..Many people are to the point now where they believe theyve been abandoned and that Braintalk is done..finished..over..not coming back..Can you in all sincerity blame them?

David is upset?..So are alot of other people..So atleast he can have the comfort of knowing that he is not alone

If it weren't for Dr John we'd still be in the dark

[Snoopy]

They are even coming to BT now to advertise this place,how do you feel about that?

HUH?!:confused:

[Curious]

fran,

there are many posts here that contain the url (link) to braintalk. there have been many posts regarding the update messages for those who's browsers were showing old dates.

the link to the braintalk flash chat is on some members siggy line and also been posted many times.

in no way is anyone trying take members away from the chat there or from braintalk when it is up and running. the main focus is for those who need support receive it. from whatever source.

not everyone goes to a chatroom. many visit forums only for support. i am sorry if anyone at braintalk flash chat were offended that an alternative was mentioned, until they have braintalk to post on.

[cherokeegrl]

This has been some very interesting reading to say the least! Personally speaking, I think it can be healthy to express our feelings outwardly, rather than bottling them up inside. I'm thankful for Dr. John's thoughtfulness to those who have benefitted from having the chance to find other's here who have made a difference in their lives on BT1.

My experience on BT1 was extremely helpful, and made a huge difference in how I dealt with the sudden onset of several conditions after a serious MVA. I will give John Lester credit for creating a positive environment, which I could access from home, that made it possible to continue human contact after finding myself bed ridden during a very difficult part of my healing process.

There were some significant changes during the last year of BT1 being online, prior to losing the server. These changes started to eat away at the core of what had become a very popular website to those needing support due to many different neurological disorders. I'm sure most of you reading this post know what changes I'm talking about! It became less desirable to come and bare our souls for fear of having that privilege taken away. In some cases, this happened due to members expressing their concern on the whereabouts of another member who had been banned. The mere mention of the banned member, or even using the word "ban" was reason enough to be banned, some were told. The banning of members got out of control, and in some cases there was no communication as to why those decisions were made. In fact, if a member inquired about the reasons behind these actions, they were banned for life! That was going a bit too far, and instilled alot of fear about just how to express ourselves.

Without saying much more, most of you here know exactly what I'm referring to, who I'm referring to, and the manner in which several members were treated. The end result was very negative, and not what I would consider a healthy forum of support, kindness, and consideration.

My personal opinion is that alot of the bad feelings being referred to on this thread stem from how the members were being treated AFTER John Lester became less involved!! This is only the tip of the iceburg with regard to the new "management" of BT1, and how it began to affect so many of it's members....long term, and newly joined members alike. This is my 2 cents. That plus $1.00 might buy you a cuppa coffee....for what it is worth!

Thanks for listening/reading~
~Kimmy

[swift]

Given the choice, I'd probably participate in both forums once/if BT comes back up - a lot of people I know there haven't found this place, or don't wish to participate.

That said - I am as upset about the lack of updates as everyone else...but there's no point in beating a dead horse.