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CTenaLouise
01-04-2007, 04:25 PM
according to C. G. Jung
Carl Gustav Jung -
...who expanded upon the Freudian concept, adding the idea of an inherited unconscious, known as the collective unconscious.
The idea of the unconscious has been rejected by some psychological schools, although it is still used by many psychoanalysts.
The term unconscious is also used to describe latent, or unretrieved, memories, or to describe stimuli too weak to enter an individual's conscious awareness.
I do remember much of my life -sometimes I draw an absolute blank.
although there are things I have done of which I wish I could completely erase...
QUESTION?
After having been on B12 -methycobalamine, I am remembering alot of
things I have not thought of for years...
I am now age 44, my vision is not so clear, I have astigmatism -makes everything wonderfully blurry.
I am wondering how much recall , is blocked or just by having this disease -
the brain melt down or apoptosis...has caused me to lose memory, or have I just lost neurotranmittors that have been severly damaged?
Blind people can walk, deaf can feel the vibrations of music, a human who is born deaf or mute, while not being able to use the language that most humans take for granted, still shows the presence of a consciousness and the ability to learn since they are able to learn something like sign language.
if we lose, in one area are we blessed in another?
perhaps we build different neuropathways?
I remember having the honor of meeting, Milly Kondrake...
She was completely frozen, except for her eyes, she spoke to us with her eyes - she was communicating with Dr.Chase with her eyes, if the brain is not able to communicate its thoughts through its voice then it would find another way. Milly did this.
Could body language then be seen as a form of communication and language as could your actions, which is why we say at times that actions speak louder than words?
What do you all think? Does having PD make us communicate
spiritually on a higher level?
The question then becomes that regardless of if the consciousness is evidenced by language or the body, how is it that thinking actually occurs in the brain?
how many of you have the sensation of mouth numbness?
reverett123
01-04-2007, 05:19 PM
...you've got there!:D
There's a strong argument to be made that our brain is just one of our "mind-centers" with others being located in the heart and GI system. Even our language speaks of "a feeling in my gut" and "I know in my heart."
There is also the school of thought that says the mind is not in the body at all but that the brain merely acts as a focusing device for it much like a radio focuses the unseen energies around us.
As for PD putting us on a higher plain, I do think it makes us wiser in that it forces us to confront our own mortality early on and makes us realize just what is important.
WOW, Lav, so many questions, so little time and energy; and, what of "muscle-memory"?--familiar to both musicians and athletes, alike; and, doesn't a rock, or a cube of soil, contain the past?
lindylanka
01-05-2007, 12:46 AM
What a lot of things your post addresses - right now the memory issue is the one that stands out for me. I don't know whether it is PD or meds that give me a kind of mental 'flatness' - I only know that I am not as finely active as I used to be, more reactive..... this includes memory, I rarely reminisce when on my own but do remember when prompted - well I remember more distant things, near events sometimes take a lot longer to surface, and under pressure! This I believe contributes to the flatness, in that synthesising memories assists the imagination - I miss the more imaginitive creative peron I was. As an antidote I am starting to get more involved in creative art once more.
Posts at the other place over several years certainly attested to a spiritual thread that was shared on the forums, in fact there was also a spiritual discourse that was visible over time, that was enriching and welcome. I know I am more drawn to the spiritual side of things than ever before.
Something that I have noticed is that it becomes more and more difficult to initiate speech - something that feels both physical and cognitive at the same time.
I would like to believe that we think with our whole person, rather than just our brain - that the brain is both the clearing house and repository of our entire experience, but the sum of it all is so much more.....
I worked once with an adolescent quadriplegic girl called Katie - she had never been able to speak, and had only developed very slowly as her disability was so great, she had virtually no movement and had been thus from birth. She was however able to communicate through her mother, who brought her onto the percussion project where I met her. I was amazed over the weeks that I worked with her to find that there was a special intelligence there. The group eventually gave an amazing performance alongside a group of profoundly deaf dancers and a group of normal teenagers. Katie was able with her mothers help to use a tibetan bell, and kept remarkable time. I videoed the rehearsals, and later edited it down and each of this group of very learning disabled people received a copy. I can only say that when they watched their own performance there was a deeply spiritual response - Katie's look of pure joy is something I will treasure for the rest of my life. It was as if they had all seen themselves for the first time, and they were more than they knew of before. None of this group of people had more than the most basic recall, days and dates were not relevant to them, not one of them was even able to remember their own address or a telephone number, none were able to function in the world unaided, let alone dress of feed themselves. But that they understood love, caring, trust, devotion, on a deep level - I have no doubt at all.
Lindy
CTenaLouise
01-05-2007, 06:14 AM
dear reverett, toyL, and lindy,
I am so interested in your responses, wow!
there is an insight in your answers to the way you think that I enjoy!
anyone who wishes to answer - please do -
luv, lavenderlou
;)
ZucchiniFlower
01-05-2007, 05:55 PM
Tenalouise, this isn't on point, but you got me thinking!
Ill or not, how we are using our brain is what’s important. What are we thinking about as we go through our day? Are they circular thoughts, observations, planning our activities or physical movements? Conversations with ourselves or with imaginary others?
How do we occupy our brain? As in, how do we keep it occupied, and how do we reside in our brains: comfortably? anxiously?
I noticed that I wasn’t happy with how I was using my brain recently. Much of my brain activity was planning and accomplishing trivial tasks, and applauding myself for my accuracy or cleverness, or my ability to overcome obstacles.
I started reading a novel. One told in first person, with humor. I realized today that I’ve been thinking differently. As if I’m writing my own novel being told in first person.
The good part about this is that I’m observing the outside world more and describing people, animals, nature, things, activities I see. With humor and some insight. It’s fun. I’m happier.
Last night, instead of watching tv, I turned on the digital tv music station with big band music, and read my novel.
I’m going to start writing again. I used to write daily, to a friend for over two years, a professional writer. I used to surprise myself with what I came up with, after staring at the blank screen for awhile. I miss it. I’ve been told I have great story sense, and I choose to believe it. ;)
How do you occupy your brain?
~Zucchini
rosebud
01-05-2007, 08:11 PM
Maybe you could break down that stream of conciousness post into about ten parts and we could take it apart one piece at a time. My memory is also getting worse ( a subjective evaluation) -maybe more appropriate to say: seems to be going through some fundamental changes. Maybe I put less attention into the things of this day, maybe my memory banks are all filled up, maybe I just need a Carribean Vacation, maybe I've inhaled too much second hand smoke. I prefer to think my brain is changing rather than dieing. I am not my brain, I believe the brain is just the connector between the physical and the spiritual -that place where the two exchange information. Sort of like the transporter on the Enterprise where Scotty had the power to break the physical down to finite particles and zap you through space until you were at that place where the intangable could become the tangable again.
I am an obsessive journaler. I actually can feel an anxiety attack building if I feel like I need to write and don't have a piece of paper or a pen. Writing is an outlet for me, a way to let off steam. I understand people when they say they have to write. I look back on a lot of it and wonder what was so important it had to be noted. Lots of loose ends and trivia. We are peculiar beings. One of my favorite movies is Rainman with Dustin Hoffman. Another is Gilbert Grape with Leonardo DeCaprio. Both with characters outside the realm of "normal" yet we can relate to them. Why is that? Possibly because we are not really all that different from them.
I have gotten back to drawing in the last few years. I ask myself now, why did you ever stop drawing? But I know my drawing is very different than it used to be. There is definitely a change in my perception and my ability to put it on paper. Unfortunatley I destroyed 99% of my work before this recent bout took hold of my spirit. I can't compare, but I know something has made me much better than I used to be. I "know" things better. But I can't explain it. Parkinson's is like a big frustration to me. There is no pain, just the constant presence of it in my life. The huge blocks of time wasted when I can't do much (anything). I must stop an be an observer only. Maybe that's the key to it all. I'm learning to sit by the sidelines and watch and wait.
Well that's enough rambling for this session. I'm begining to bore myself ....so your probably in a sound sleep by now if you made it this far. What was the question again?
reverett123
01-05-2007, 11:04 PM
http://www.rense.com/general69/holo.htm
keep in mind as you read this that this is what some of the finest scientific minds of our time have concluded. as einstein said, "the universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we CAN imagine."
Ronhutton
01-06-2007, 11:08 AM
Hi Tenalouise,
Your comment,
"After having been on B12 -methycobalamine, I am remembering alot of things I have not thought of for years..."
reminded me of something (non PD) that I havre been interested in for years, and that is memory recall under hynosis.
There has been many occasions where people under hypnosis can remember even a previous life. I know it sounds far fetched, but there are too many examples (where there is no way they could have found out the information beforehand) for it to be a hoax of some sort. There are examples of people walking into an old building, and are able to describe the layout etc before they enter the room they are about to enter. There have been examples of people being able to speak in a language they they have never learned in their lifetime. Others have been able to do other things never attempted in their lifetime, such as a complicated Irish Dance. A search
of "Past Life Regresion", on Google gives 1.3 million references.
My idea is you can inherit many things from your parents and ancestors, from the colour of your eyes to your personality. Why not therefore inherit a slice of their memory, (like a computer being connected to an old hard disc), which normally is not remembered, but can be accessed in hypnosis. Police sometimes use hypnosis to help a witness remember facts about a crime they saw committed, but have "deleted" it from their memory, since it was very unpleasant.
Can this be the way that people can regress under hynosis, and actually access memories from beyond their birth??
Who knows what we are hiding in our subconcious!!!!
I am not saying I am a true believer in Past Life Regression, just that I find it very interesting and seek an answer how some of the well documented examples can be explained.
Ron
CTenaLouise
01-06-2007, 10:57 PM
dear Zucchini,
I like the way you think!
dear Rosebud,
my favorite poet Emily dickinson, wrote on every little scrap of paper she could grab!
dear reverett,
I really love reading about Einstein!
dear RonHutton,
you are very intelligent -
you are all brilliant people, and they think we have a brain disease,
maybe -just maybe?
it was a gift -
not a gift I would choose for us...
but we are gifted...
PS.
Einstein's brain was 15 percent bigger in one area then most people...
he left his brain to science, and after science cut it up, and put it in a big
"Pickle Jar" -they didn't do anything else with it for years -now that is pretty
dumb...:rolleyes:
What happened to Einsteins brain -
http://www.scienceshorts.com/030212.htm
this one is for kids - I read it first!
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/ein.html
Fascinating, the idea of shared memory, of recalling ealier lives, of digging up forgotten events through hypnosis. All are likely if we understand time to be simultaneous and not divided into past, present, future as it seems to us. We are then all connected to each other, past, present, (future?) all mankind share a soul that contains our shared memory.
From there it seems quite clear to me that we must br responsible for our own contribution to that memory, that soul. We can choose to live in a way that improves the soul we share, or not - there is a d*** good reason why one should to try to be a good person.
If it were not late at night I wouldn't admit to such a Pollyanna thought - but there it is, I've said it.
And then something entirely different - I remember Paula writing about detatchment long, long ago - and detatchment is what I often feel, not from other people, but from myself. I have always felt temporary, not quite, quite real, and PD is certainly contributing to that detatchment.
There is me, the mind, and I happen to reside in this body. My hands learned to make pots, and the memory is in my hands, but they are still seperate, mine but not as ME as my mind.
This sounds rather depressing, but it is not - not at all. I am a jolly old lady, and even my dreams are so funny I wake up laughing. So somehow I must have stumbled into the dreams in the part of our shared soul where the funny memories reside.
ramble ramble
birte
michael7733
01-07-2007, 04:13 AM
Most of us who were creative before Pd and now find ourselves less gifted and talented in that department saw signs of Pd on our right side first, but those of us who were more methodical and detailed in our thought patterns before Pd than we are now probably saw signs on our left side first. On the other hand, a recent posting told us that Left brain/Right brain dominance is a bunch of hooey and we are all whole brain thinkers (I disagree with that theory, by the way). Of course, there are those of us who interacted with life equally as well with our left brain as we did with our right brain. It was a coin toss there as to which side Pd showed first.
As far as there being a collective unconscious or collective subconscious into which our thoughts are poured and from which we draw, well you must know my thoughts on that matter since I am now thinking them. On the other hand, we could adhere to the theory that the mitochondria of our cells were once seperate from our humanity and more akin to bacteria which learn almost simultaneously as a group when even one bacterium gathers information. The thing that makes that theory seem possible is the fact that our mitochondris possess their own DNA. Perhaps that is like having a backup power supply just as our cells can work via both chemical and electrical reactions in formulating methylcobalamin in order to maintain our memory.
Which spins my mind out on a tangent and accuses Einstein of being incorrect about light. Everything has its own set of characteristics that, when exibited, allow us to identify it as being whatever it is. If one of the characteristics of light is that it travels at 186,000 miles per second, does that mean that if that characteristic changes the result is something other than light? By the way, does anyone know where light goes when you turn it off?
michael
CTenaLouise
01-08-2007, 04:59 AM
so many different theory's -so much to expound upon? ;)
has anyone watched a movie with Kevin Spacey in it called
K-PAX, it is about a (space man)
- extra terrestrial's from the planet K-PAX,
Kevin Spacey has a sense of humor that makes his character very believable [called - PROT -rhymes with note.]
it is science fiction but I really enjoy it
-not that I have to believe in any of it...
but Kevin Spacey speaks about "light travel" -and Einstein's theory, about traveling the speed of light.
it is worth watching this is the cover of the DVD
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e4/Kpax.jpg/200px-Kpax.jpg
Kevin Spacey tells about how much energy there is in one beam of Light.
PROT would answer your light question like this -
Light is an electromagnetic radiation that has a wavelength in the range from about 4,000 (violet) to about 7,700 (red) angstroms and may be perceived by the normal unaided human eye, so out of this range may be we can't see..
unless you are from a different solar system. :eek:
michael -
now you ask a question or are you setting me up for a joke- where does light go when we turn it off?
my answer:
it goes out because it no longer has a connection to the circuit?
where do dreams come from -stimuli of the day collected in our brains, or
is it notes from our soul - or both-
I have heard dreaming is big with us Parkies.
mine are all in color!
well dear micheal, and BEMM
I hope you have peace in your heart,
I'm tired - going to go back and catch somemore Zzz's.
I've seen the movie, really like it too.
And my dreams are all in full, beautiful color too.
Good dreams to all.
birte.
RLSmi
01-08-2007, 11:53 AM
That link you posted on Saturday was great! This business about dimensions in which past, present, future, and spatial distance are irrelevant resonates with me big time. I have to go there when I consider ultimate reality. That is probably heresy for a scientist, but maybe I can get away with it since I'm now retired.:D
rosebud
01-08-2007, 01:24 PM
I have a few friends and we get together and toss this stuff around and I love hearing what you all think. Here are a few ideas we have come up with:
The theory of reincarnation may have come from confusion: the spirit world may be so close that we are intimitley involved in the lives of those who are living in "time" (thats where we are now). So we recollect past lives, but they were not actually ours but someone we may have had some spiritual responsibility for. Not unlike the concept of guardian angels...
People who work in family history (Geneoalogy) often encounter people they are doing research about, or looking for. I had a friend who's husband said he would wake up at night to find his wife having a conversation with a "spirit" standing at the foot of their bed. sometimes he would see the shadow of a person and sometimes not. He learned not to be alarmed by this and would just go back to sleep.
Creative theoryof life #1: Each of us is in a virtual reality chamber and non of the rest of you actually exist. This life is just a test to see how far we have progressed in our own spiritual development.
Creative theory of life #2: When we die we will get what we belive we will get because we are creating our own lives and future lives...if you believe in pearly gates and streets of gold then you will go there, if you believe there is nothing after this life and have not invested in spiritual development then maybe this is where you will end....
just thought I'd throw that out to gnaw on for the dogs of dogma.
If you want to read a very interesting book may I recommend "Anthropologist on Mars" by Oliver Sacs. Wish I had more time to write. Birte and Tena, I dream in color too. Vivid color. Satin and pearlesant (??sp) and flourescent and all the good stuff. The dopamine we take contributes to that. Schitzophrenics have too much dopamine. One of the reasons they are so lousy about taking their meds is because it brings down all the bright colors and vivid experience of being schitzophrenic. It sounds like they are on a sort of permanant acid trip when they don't suffer from paranoia and the dark side.... the dark side -now there's another subject we could expound on. I'm dieing to find out whats on the other side of the curtain when we leave this life. JW
paula_w
01-08-2007, 01:48 PM
Rosebud,
I think this might be the only time that I can speak for everyone and say we all are.
paula
reverett123
01-08-2007, 03:12 PM
1- the ground rule is that our logical brain has no vocabulary for this and is paralyzed as a result. we are forced to metaphors, parables, poems, and song to express these ideas.
2- a second ground rule is that, if our goal is to understand, we are doomed to fail. after all, we are the finite contemplating the infinite. mathematics says that it would be simpler to put the ocean in a tea cup.
3- if, however, our goal is simply to grasp that which is within our own reach then we have hope. even more intriguing is the possibility that we are not finite at all, but only think we are.
4- we may disagree totally and yet all be right in our views. you all probably know the story of the blind men and the elephant. each was correct in his description yet each was wrong in thinking his view complete.
5- there is a joke about the Scientist struggling mightily up the mountain of Ignorance. Finally, after centuries, he reached the last ledge and, reaching up, grasped the rock and pulled himself up. As he cleared that last bit of Ignorance blocking his sight, he heard the sounds of chanting, prayer, and song. A little old man rushed over, introduced himself as the Mystic, gleefully threw his arms around him, and cried out "at last you've come!"
paula_w
01-08-2007, 03:20 PM
I love to talk about this stuff but I'm not educated, do I need to arm myself by reading someone before I jump in cold on the discussion. First of all, Rick - What is your favorite subject?
I already like the rules.
Paula:p
paula_w
01-08-2007, 05:21 PM
Ok well thank you Rick ....Lol.... I'll start by asking - what does it take to get to another time and how do you get tuned into this network? I'm fascinated but know that we will never figure it out.
Paula
reverett123
01-08-2007, 06:15 PM
There are books and books. The ones that meant the most to me were by David Darling (cosmologist I think), Frank Tipler (mathematician, physicist), and Pierre de Chardin (Jesuit archaeologist), but I don't recommend them as light reading. I'll give you the matinee version and save you a lot of brain cells.
First, get comfortable with the idea that both space and time don't really exist, we just pretend they do. At the level of our existence we need something to order things so that we aren't rendered catatonic by the Universe. Imagine the overload if it hit you all at once. Poof! No more you.
Now, think about this time/space illusion stretching far into the past. Then think about it stretching many millions of times farther into the future. Keep in mind that it is all illusion, though.
Having that as the stage, take a look at the drama taking place. Whether you start with the Big Bang 10 billion years ago or Genesis 6000 years ago is irrelevant. Both are myths to keep us sane.
But whatever the beginning, the play has been a steady stream of happenings each leading to a greater level of complexity. From seething plasma to electron to atom to molecule to star to planet to microbe to fish to mammal to human to mind to tribal mind to internet mind to...
Now if you project those graphs out into the huge future what on earth happens out in the universe? Well......God is one name for it, but again that is a myth to keep us sane. By the way, "myth" is not a term of disrespect.
Somewhere down the path of those graphs the last linkage is made. Everything is connected. A zillion years from now (illusion) everything in the Universe becomes one and realizes it is God and that certain obligations go with the title. One is that to be God requires that It shake off the chains of space and time and claim the rest of Its identity (that's you and me}. Another is that it is obvious that the only thing that can create God is God (by definition) so that's high up on the "Cosmic To Do" list. So, transcending space and time, God simply closes/closed the circle and said/says "Let there be light....etc"
And since time and space don't really exist, this is happening right now and right here. So, everything's cool whether we know it or not. :)
And don't even get me started on Multiverses. :D
ZucchiniFlower
01-08-2007, 07:05 PM
Rick, at age five I decided that certain things were unknowable. I couldn't conceive of eternity, infinity, a universe that was endless, or one had an end, because what was outside of it? Certain questions have no answers. It's beyond our understanding. Still, the questioning is fascinating, isn't it?
I recall asking my mother about heaven, because I was scared of being dead for eternity, at age five. She said Yes, there were swimming pools in heaven. It was comforting when she lied to me, but I remember thinking, Does she really think I believe this stuff? I knew none of it was true, but it was still comforting to have her comfort me.
Maybe our seeking answers is comforting to us.
I saw part of a NOVA show about parallel universes and Membrane Theory, which I'd never heard of before. Very interesting. Here's the transcript:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2001/parallelunitrans.shtml
You are absolutely right, Zucchiniflower, comfort is what we seek when we try to find answers to the unknown and unanswerable questions of life and existence.
A lovely fairy tale - or wishful lie - is a great balm to the fear of death. For adults as well as for children, hope of happiness is much easier to live with than is the certainty of non-existence - even when we know that it is only hopeful thinking.
Most of the questions that have no answers are explained in mythologies and religions through allegory and poetic fantasy. The multitude of religious believers shows how important it is to mankind to create wishful fairy tales. Whether we believe them literally or not, the stories provide comfort. With utmost respect to those who do believe, we can hope, we can have faith, but none of us can know for certain what does happen to the soul after death, or for that matter, where the soul was before birth, I think we are perfectly justified in creating comforting and hopeful answers.
Two of our 3 year old grandchildren asked me this Christmas where they were when their parents were little children. The stock answer I know is, "You were a twinkle in your daddy's (mommy's?) eye."
However, one of the two is adopted from China, and very happily aware of being born to other parents, so she could be adopted by her Mommy and Daddy. It would have been an answer full of new questions.
I said instead that before we were born we were all of us beautiful butterflies in Dreamland. The two mothers were not so sure that they liked the lie - but for all I know, we might well, all of us, have been beautiful butterflies in Dreamland before we were born. The little ones were fascinated with the idea, and I think it is a nice and comforting thought. More fairy tale and less 'lie' than the tooth fairy and the easter bunny.
birte
paula_w
01-08-2007, 11:47 PM
As a person of faith, I think what you described, Rick, does not rule out a trinity, in fact it supports it. It also supports other statements, like 'It is done".
I think science and faith in a higher being go together quite well. The problem with the stem cell debate, is one of personal ethics, not religion. And I don't want to start talking about it!
The whole thing is totally cellular, it seems. As a dear friend once said, '"I'm quite busy at the cellular level." Then there is the electricity..."ET PHONE HOME".
Who knows? What is the mystery of life?
paula
Who is to say that, because a thing can only be described in the language of metaphor and poetry, that it is not true? Myths describe realities, and the old stories point to truth. The acceptance of the notion that only factual thinking is of any use in understanding our lives is a phenomenon of recent development and one of the Devil's best tricks!
Jaye
reverett123
01-09-2007, 08:34 AM
Myth, etc is an area where we address the most important questions and I agree whole heartedly that my interpretation leaves room for God. The division between faith and science is an artficial one generated by two guys on opposite ends of the same elephant.
The need for comfort may indeed produce the need for faith, but another possibility is an innate sensing of "something" beyond our ability to understand.
The problems arise when faith is not enough and we demand certainty.
CTenaLouise
01-09-2007, 03:18 PM
Essential to this argument is the concept of a 'soul,'
or soul-network: 'something' beyond the physical perception, and beyond the spatial limitations of energy, working in accordance to its own plan.
Jung envisioned, beyond the mechanistic aspect of the 'normal' world, a broader framework of existence, in which all things are connected via an indefinable ether-verse, encompassing such derided/quizzical concepts as "meaningful coincidences,
" foreknowledge/precognition/intuition, ESP, telepathy, telekinesis, and so on.
As a human came to channel the Quantum theory, "...we must regard them as creative acts, as the continuous creation of a pattern that exists from all eternity, repeats itself sporadically, and is not derivable from any known antecedents. quote cg jung
Chinese sages knew three thousand years before, could not be comprehended consciously, but through meditative "non-being" ... or the ~unconscious state~, Jung is quick to clarify. Integral to this discussion are archetypes, the common models upon which cultural icons/identities are patterned. Jung does not go into specifics here (for he mined archetypes throughout his career) but does pose several interesting notes - the theory of whether numbers actually existed, as archetypes, before human conception (and human existence?) was certainly something to ponder upon.
*Sychronicity: An Acausal Connecting Principle*
I wonder if this is what I think of when miracles happen?
michael7733
01-10-2007, 04:45 AM
I was taught in public school, by my science teacher, from my science book, written by science scholars, approved by the state and federal governments, that only life can beget life. This was presented to me as a scientfic fact...not theory...not a faith exercise...not a religious experience...not a believe-it-or-not, take-it-or-leave-it, it's-your-choice statement. It was an irrefutable fact. It is now 46 years later, and upon searching present day life-science text books, I can find no trace of that "Fact." What I do find, however, is a lot of theory presented as being fact. I also find that during that 46 year time span, no one has disproved the fact that I was taught. Where did it go? (http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/sciences/lifescience/PhysicalAnthropology/EvolutionFact/OnlyLife/OnlyLife.htm) Is it no longer considered important enough to be discussed or even mentioned? Has life been devalued? What exactly does Science want me to believe?
michael
I wonder if these are the same people who are telling me that there is no cure for Parkinson's Disease? Just a thought.
CTenaLouise
01-10-2007, 09:54 AM
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Chairman Bart Gordon (D-TN) began his tenure as a House Committee Chairman with the announcement of a new name for the Committee, a new website and an overview of action areas that will comprise an ambitious agenda for the 110th Congress.
The House Rules Package (H.Res. 6) passed today changes the Committee’s name from the Committee on Science to the Committee on Science and Technology. This name change brings the Committee back to its roots to more accurately reflect its broad jurisdiction in the areas of science, research and technology.
The Committee also unveiled its new website –
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"The Committee on Science and Technology has an exciting session ahead," stated Chairman Gordon. "We look forward to listening to &squot;good ideas&squot; from our Committee Members and the public as we work to assure America’s competitiveness in the world."
Among the areas on the Committee’s agenda in the new Congress: a continued effort to assure that U.S. workers are equipped to compete in the global economy; a firm commitment to math and science education on all levels; work to utilize the strategic energy fund created in Congress’ "first 100 hours" to increase our nation’s energy independence; maximizing the effectiveness of the nation’s civil and commercial space and aeronautics programs; working to assure the security of our nation, citizens and communities; and insuring adequate federal support for basic research.
Chairman Gordon added, "The federal commitment to science, technology and research is an integral part of the U.S. ability to compete in the global economy. In the next few weeks, the President will submit his budget to Congress. I am hopeful he will finally fulfill the pledge he made in last year’s State of the Union address to act on and fund competitiveness and innovation efforts with clear budget direction."
Chairman Gordon expects the Committee to meet in the coming weeks to formally organize and assemble subcommittees. The first order of legislative business will likely be a "housekeeping" mark-up session aimed at clearing non-controversial bills that passed the Committee in the 109th Congress, but failed to complete the legislative cycle.
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rosebud
01-10-2007, 01:23 PM
I walked away from catholocism, and evangalism and some other 'isms for good luck. I became a sort of athiest, then I thought about the whole mess for about 8 years and decided that one must comitt to some sort of ism in order to choose a path to follow. So I settled on an ism that was presented to me and had a pretty good showing, and was a little off beat (not a lot of people on this trail) and proceeded to raise my children within it's influence. It fell short of perfect in many ways,but at least my children had learned to tie their spiritual shoelaces and were walking uprightly among their fellow human beings. Along the way I had to learn that "facts" are subjective, the universe abhors a vaccuum -even in our heads, and that we all live in our own version of the universe at this time. Quantum physics and religion seem to be coming up over opposite horizons to form what looks to me like it may be a full circle pretty soon. The knowledge of the mystics is filtering down to the common man and we are beginning to understand that we are in "fact" all one entity, yet to be determined in name. In spite of my "isms" name I have kept my mind open to other peoples "isms" and found many similarities that lead me to believe that at the edge of apparant chaos lies a circle of complete order in which we all exist and are one. When we find this oneness it will be our collective conscience in perfect order and we will be able to move forward and we will understand who we are and what is next. Until then, war, injustice, fear, doubt, selfishness and all its variations will rule our lives and PD will seem like it has no purpose except to make us miserable.
There is something about being 12 that makes you begin to think about who you might really be, what you are doing in this mess, and where the heck you should go next. No wonder adolesence is such a nightmare! I'm much happier at 50 + .....I think.:D
paula_w
01-10-2007, 07:39 PM
I must be feeling chaotic today....lol. I have tried [don't always succeed because I definitely express my thoughts.] to listen, understand be non-hostile, attempting to get your attention absolutely, tho I just want you to recognize that I am merely honest and there is an urgency to my ....uh.....honesty again I guess. The most important thing I want to convey tho is that progress is real in patients becoming part of the treatment team. And that minds do change with more information, including mine.
Just look for the truth. Don't stay in a fantasy world where you are most comfortable.
I have to bullet these as I've lost several of these already - darn!
MY COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUS QUESTIONS:
why do people settle for the Bible not being literal ; but take the U.S. Constitution word for word literally; or interpret when necessary,as if it wasn't also written in another time frame and from a different perspective?
what is the purpose of removing our religious history from sight?
do you see this removal as merely being non-offensive or exclusive or do you see other ways in which it is increasingly disappearing [rethought this one sorry - too inflammatory]
wealth always seems to be accompanied with power and then seems to come the temptations on a different level with different expected outcomes - profound news to you all I'm sure..:cool: but the hardest temptations to resist are IMHO giving it up, giving in, giving it over, and not believing negative realities,. That is the thinking of a 23 years old. lol But these things can remain in the head - can persist and develop into a lifelong personality characteristics or phobias, who knows? Avoidance. Excuses. These are not to be mistakenly identified as role modeling. The point of this bullet has escaped me.Think it was to introduce Peg's new signature line...don't' ever give up, even Moses was a basket case. lol
there is a billion ton evilness sitting in the middle of the living room; when is it going to be acknowledged? Like War of the Worlds, and interestingly , in the movie, when one of the evil aliens was destroyed- they all died. More advanced than we are? I guess but also very weird.And for balance, keeping in mind that I am honest. Can anyone tell me if I act like a typical Aquarian? Serious question!!
;) paula
reverett123
01-10-2007, 10:23 PM
....when contemplating the Infinite.
I grew up in the Bible Belt and thoroughly Southern Baptist - back before it was hijacked. Church three times a week at a minimum. But a questioning mind and riddles like "But where did God come from?" did not fit in well with my surroundings so I went in search of answers.
Limited success but did turn up a lot of questions. :D
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