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10-29-2009, 12:25 PM
hi. i had a question regarding hasimotots and meds. since in hasimotos the immune system is attacking the thyroid...when the patient gets on external hormones be it natural like armour or synthetic like synthroid...does the immune system continue to attack the thyroid? or does it attack the new hormones that are in the body?
i hope some one can help me clear this up. thank you.
I believe that Armour or natural thyroid is not available now.
The FDA is making all makers get new drug approvals...the situation is changing daily however, so keep Googling it.
I believe the attack is against the gland, not the hormone.
Synthroid and other levothyroxine's are protein bound in the blood serum and travel to the tissues after being absorbed. This T4 is converted as needed to T3 in the tissues.
The enzymes that do this are dependent on zinc and selenium.
10-31-2009, 10:25 PM
But, it depends on what your 'auto-immune'tests have been so far to date!
I am female, you are not ergo male thyroid issues are less common, but still can and are destsructive.
My issue was 'hypo thyroid'- underactive Commonly occurring in pre & post menopausal women. IF I understand your history correctly? Something 'else' caused it in you. My own thyroid problems have been managed very well, thank-you! With Synthroid. If the script is not 'generic'? A good degree of quality control can be achieved with the more expensive brands...AND every single doc I have encounterewd advocates the non-generics as quality for YOU!
Getting to the right dosage for you is a different matter! I have been up and down the 'dosage' scale many, many times!
As for the 'quality' of obtaining that 'synthoid'? I know many area vets who treat creatures at various 'armour' and the like farms... and I believe that any true cruelty must be reported by the vets to the state health depts.
Since I've been on 'synthroid' for over 15+ years? I have only had one incident when my thyroid changed significantly!
Do NOT take three pills and expect MIRACLES! This is the kind of med one MUST take daily and consistently for it to have any affect! It can take3-6 months for it to 'kick in'? But it does, tho very slowly.
THERE ARE NO QUICK FIXES HERE! The 'turtle will win the race in this!
I hope this all helps! = j :hug:
11-04-2009, 02:54 PM
The medical community is slowly coming around to realize that all autoimmune disease is related to celiac disease, the only autoimmune disease with a proven cause. The problem: People ingest sugar and grow gut microorganisms. They become infected with a nerve virus like varicella zoster which degrades immune function. The immune system starts confusing ingested complex proteins for gut microorganisms. The immune system starts dumping undigested proteins into the bloodstream where they attack nerves. The immune system responds by attacking the affected nerve tissue.
The thyroid is controlled by the brain's hypothalamus, and by the pituitary gland. Most thyroid autoimmune dysfunction begins as an attack against the hypothalamus. It responds by under-supplying or over-supplying thyroid control hormone. The thyroid gland becomes involved when it reacts to the shortages and excesses of control hormone.
Stop ingesting gluten and sweets, including fruit and artificial sweeteners. After a couple months test for other protein intolerances. It works. I cured my Graves disease this way.
11-04-2009, 06:34 PM
Celiac disease and thyroid disease are both at the headwaters of all autoimmune disease.
For autoimmune disease to exist the immune system has to get confused. Immune function relies on proper function of the thymus gland. Like all organs the thymus relies on transduction nerves. Transduction nerves in all organs operate in a properly prepared medium of potassium ion channels. The orexin nerve system is responsible for preparing and maintaining these channels.
The orexin system is centered in the brain's hypothalamus, the same area of the brain which controls thyroid function. A virus attacks the hypothalamus, and the body responds in two ways. You get thyroid disease, and your immune system starts attacking food proteins and everything they touch.
11-07-2009, 09:29 PM
There are many Toxic, hereditary and other immune issues that...Thyroid INCLUDED, that, IF properly tracked [meaning all the docs ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS?-tho usually not] that causes for most immune diseases can have the source issues found. HOWEVER? WE are NOT HOTHOUSE FLOWERS! Contained in any controlled environment, nor carefully monitored when fed..etc.
Do not forget that the genetic variables in terms of disease resistance - 'programming' in each of us varies by the BILLIONS. For most of us, myself included, it comes down to timing and the luck of the 'draw' as to how it all effects/affects our bodies.
As for your belief that it ties into Celiac's? So far, research seems to have only been done on RAT BRAINS w/no mention about the digestive aspects at all. While this might apply to YOU, it's not a 'one size fits all' aspect of diagnosis. Take a gander at this menu and see IF any connections are found so far...to date?
Treating Hashimoto's is like treating cancer in many ways....prudence in administration of therapies can be wise, tho sometimes while dosages are adjusted? A certain chain of events...in this case the thyroid can still continue to cascade-the train is set in motion, so to speak. Therefore diligence if follow-up testing and treatments is necessary. This, aspect tho, unfortuneately isn't done as diligently as often needed. Either due to inexperience or lack of follow-up by the patient or physicians involved.
Back to the post? Synthroid has essentially slowed damage to my now dead thyroid for 20+ years. Just make sure you pay extra [usually these days?] for the GOOD stuffs, not the generics. All the best - j
11-07-2009, 10:00 PM
Our host has given you total advantage in this discussion. I have convincing links, but cannot post them.
11-07-2009, 10:14 PM
Try the phrase, 'Web up: Joe Smith-neurontin' w/o the link..it should get folks to sites you want.
But, you should be able to be more concise in your opinions, without referencing sites [tho it can help at times].
While we might have different opinions? I do hope that we can discuss this in a friendly way. Thing is, there are sooo many different neuro issues...caused by sooo many different things? That we do have to be our own health detectives. Not to mention the fact that neuros come from soo many different types of training/orientation that it is impossible to say YES! THAT IS IT!
I believe this discussion is worthy of a new thread, not to take away from Gurjas' Hahsi's issues at all. That is a different medical issue completely.
Onwards in good faith, hope and help for all of us! - j
11-09-2009, 12:43 PM
But, you should be able to be more concise in your opinions, without referencing sites
.......without pointing out any lack of conciseness. Funny, you didn't seem to think no supporting links were needed when you stated your opinion.
A theory is not supportable by proof, but by facts. Science facts come from science experiments.
However, I'm glad you expressed yourself. *edit*
gurjas, are you still present?
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