Is It Really True That God..............

[Justice]

I was raised in a really twisted religious envoronment,so I get really confused about the truth about God,and sometimes right and wrong,in the laws of God,not the laws of the land.But I was told once that God would not give any one person more than they can handle.Is that really true?Does anyone know?I don't consider myself a religous person,but I do consider myself a spiritual person.I pray sometimes,but I don't pray for me,I pray for others,and I thank God for the things I've been blessed with.I feel like if I pray for me,than it's selfish.That's one of the twisted beliefs I was taught growing up.My family didn't teach me the truth about the religion I grew up in,they almost made it up as they went,so I didn't get the real version of that religion!

[Jo*mar]

I think that is just a saying, but I'm not sure.
When I was having a bad time I went to a used bookstore and found a Bible that was easy to read { some are more old language wordy versions}.
And I just started reading at the beginning for awhile and then went to Psalms and Wisdom sections - those are very powerful sections and will help to give you internal peace.

[BJ]

The title peaked my interest so I thought I'd take a peak. Justice it was Mother Teresa who said

I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much.

That last line is the key Justice :hug: .....God has trust in us and if you believe that, you have no worries. :)

Must go sleep :thud:

[moose53]

You know something, Justice.

I was raised a Catholic and converted to Judaism during my divorce.

I'm more eclectic now -- a little bit of everything.

I've seen people that are very combative with their religion. When I was in hospital taking care of Mom during her last days, one woman actually told me that my Mother was dying because I was a practicing Jew. No word on why her sister was in the same room as my Mother :eek: I found her comments to be extemely hateful and hurtful. She called herself a "good Christian" :mad:

My Mom's doctor was also a "good Christian". He sat by the bedside and prayed before surgery. My Mom didn't like it. But, I did. He was able to bring his religion to his work without being offensive about it. He prayed for God's help and guidance in his hands before he operated. I found him to be a very caring and loving and thoughtful and religious man who did not use his religion to hurt others.

That, I think, is the key. If you can practice your religion (whatever it is) in a thoughtful and kind and caring way without being cruel to others who do not believe as you do. And if you can have tolerance for people who believe differently than you do. If your beliefs bring you comfort during difficult and painful times. Then I think you have mastered the whole reason why people turn to G-d for help.

Religion is supposed to be a comfort and a support and means to help others. It's not supposed to be a weapon that you use to get children to mind or a weapon to get others to believe as you do.

Justice, you have a kind and caring heart. I can't help but believe that if you let your heart lead you to the best religious practices for you, that you will find comfort and you will find soul-satisfaction.

Hugs.

Barb

[KathyM]

Hi Justice

I was raised Christian, but I no longer belong to the church or call myself a Christian (nothing personal, just don't like labels).

I don't think it's selfish to pray for yourself, as long as you're careful in what you pray for. When praying for myself, I tend to pray for strength and understanding instead of specifics. I also think it's important to pay attention to the world around you - the noise and the silence.

When I look back on the burdens I've had to carry, I see why I had to carry them. They were useful lessons and tools. They either served to give me strength, or they provided me with the expertise I need today. If others had carried the burden for me completely, or sheltered me from life, I'd be in a real mess now. :eek:

If my illness progresses as my mother's did, my future burdens will slip into the category of extreme challenge. I've got nothing better to do, so I figure I'll see how much I can take. I won't allow my world to come crashing down on me until it really does come crashing down on me.

[theoneRogue420]

Hi Justice :) I can't help but notice that you are in Utah... did you grow up LDS? I can also fully understand you're not wanting to be there, lol.... I went to a boarding school in Utah. I much prefer San Diego too...I'm an O.B. woman!

I gave up on religion many moons ago. I am a very spiritual person, though. Your relationship with God is personal, and you really don't need any person to lead you to Him. Ministers etc. are human, with human motivations like greed, envy and lust. They may not mean to, but they cannot help but insert their personal foibles into their teachings.

Yes, I do firmly believe that God doesn't give you more than you can handle. The problem is that WE seldom know what we can handle till it slaps us in the face, lol. I have had rsd/crps for 14 years now, hiv/aids for 8, and was diagnosed with epilepsy this year. If someone had ever told me I'd get all these diseases and be able to handle it, I'd have laughed at them and said "not me, no way... I'd kill myself first". Well, I'm still here, even if I'm not always sure why. :eek:

[SallysMom]

Justice,

I think the opposite is actually true. God sometimes gives us more than we can handle so we can learn to depend totally on Him.

Of course it is all right to pray for yourself and your needs. Philippians 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

When Jesus died on the cross, he died for your sins, but he also wants to live his life in you. Here is a quote I have heard a lot lately....

Jesus gave His life FOR us, so that He could give His Life TO us, so that He could live His Life THROUGH us.

Judy :)

[dorrie]

Hello Justice I am a member of a 12 step group for alcoholics. I have always considered myself spiritual, not religious. I went to Sunday school when I was young and sometimes I said my prayers. Usually I said my prayers when I was in some sort of trouble and wanted God to get me out of the spot that I got myself in. I spent my entire life searching for love. I never felt loved at home with my parents. I sought out love from men. I thought that when someone loved my that I would be happy. I beleived that so much that I tried to keep these people as close to me as I could....I treasured them! For some reason they all eventually would leave me. I was in a great deal of emotional pain because of it and at an early age I began to drink to cope...and forget...and to not have to deal with how I felt....empty, alone, sad. I continued on like that untill I was in my mid thirties. Along the way I had 2 wonderful children who I love very much....however there was a time when I loved them as much as I could...big difference! I had many relationships, no job, I had a welfare chenck to get by....and I had a bad addiction, one that would have me driven to go to any length to obtain alcohol. By the time I quit drinking I had also lost my grandfather, found out that my daughter had been sexually abused by my sons father, my parents would not speak to me...my sister and I had physical wars, my brother took my son away from me...I was with someone who was a suspect in a horrific rape and murder of a child( I didn't know this when we got together) I had also almost killed my sons father when I was drinking because I knew that he was going to beat me that night. I snapped and put the spike heel of my shoe into his head. I really could have killed him. I also in defence of myself, stabbed him in the arm with a fork....all sounds crazy doesn't it. That is really just part of my unmanageable life!! I actually was to the point of drinking a 26er and a mickey of tequila every day when I finally had to stop. I actually worried about me. I was afraid because I was so physically, emotionally and spiritually drained!!!!! Again I was in such a spot and asked God for help. I really meant it too! I was praying for me! I went to my 12 step group and learned that if I was willing to turn my life over to the power of God , than he could help me get out of of THIS jackpot. I was willing. I wanted to get better because I knew that I was dreadfully sick. I hung in there. I kept turning my will and my life over to the care of God. Each day and only ONE day at a time a climbed up out of the depths of dispair with Gods help. I prayed about absolutely everything. Some days were good some days were rough....but they were alot better than any of my best drinking days!! Slowly, gradually.....ONE DAY AT A TIME...I was learning how to deal with life. I changed alot of things.....I changed my friends...sought out councelling had had my sons father held accountable with the law for what he had donr to my daughter...I got single!!!!!i LEARNED TO LIKE WHO i WAS AND TO REALIZE THAT i DID NOT NEED ANOTHER PERSONS LOVE AND APPROVAL TO BE A WORTHY PERSON!!! I came to terms with my Grandfathers death and actually had to deal with my other grandfathers death, in sobriety!!My son and I did not have a good relationship. He was deeply affected by my alcoholism. I have prayed and sought forgiveness for years in my sobriety and now I am happy to say that my son and I have a wonderful relationsip...and he has given me the most beautiful grandaughter too! My daughter is still having a rough time but I pray for her too and I have faith that my prayers will be answered. I worked through my issues with my parents( in councelling) and have let the past go. My parents did the best that they could and we are very close now. They now tell me that they love me all the time and it makes me feel good. My sis and bro and I get along great too! I have new friends...good ones, I love my life. I evenually met another recovering alcoholic and we have started a life together. I rather like this thing called life!! I have a frend that I talk to each and every day now. I speak to him like any other friend. He loves me and I know it.. I ask him for all sorts of things...and he usually helps me out...if he thinks the time is right!! He has put alot on my plate....all of my life...for whatever the reason. I think that he actually uses Heavens biggest platter for ME!!! But in good times and bad...I have always managed to deal with whatever he puts on it. Now in sobriety I am able to notice that good things that he generously heaps on my platter rather than only seeing the negative.. I think that the negative is there for a reason...we need to look deep into it and try to figure out what lesson could God be trying to teach us? I am so grateful for my full platter, Justine!!! Hang in there girl....Get your seatbelt on and ask God to shower you with his love like he has for me. Enjoy the ups and downs....thats life and its great to be alive!!! God Bless!! :hug:

[Darlene]

Justice,

Seems you are getting a lot of answers to your question. So I would like to put my 2 cents in.

I was raised in a home that didn't attend church on a regular bases. But that did stop me, my parents would always take me and drop me off, and I am thankful for that.

I feel as though God gives us what we can handle. Then again he has to test us all all times with temptations to see which way we will turn. Which pathway we will take, either sinful or faithful.

When I am praying it is for illness(phyiscal or religious), forgiveness, thanking him for Jesus who came to earth to teach the many lost souls through him or his followers, thanking Him for my husband and kids and for watching over them. These are just some of the things I do asking for. As for me, I do pray for myself that He will guide me in the right ways.

Yes, I am a regular church goer, just about every time the doors are opening. I alway feel safe everywhere, but especially there.

Darlene:hug:

[Justice]

You got it right,it was the LDS Church! Because of the harm they caused my life,they meaning certain church authority members,and my Mom,and brother,I am not LDS.I got out as soon as I could get away from my Mom's control.She told me beliefs that they had that other members have told me are not true.She would make me go to church even when I was sick.Once I got grounded, because an Ambulance had to be called and rush me to the hospital from church.Her reasoning was because I caused a scene,and was irreverent in church that day! It wasn't my fault I stopped breathing,I told her I was sick,and couldn't go in the first place,and she still made me go.I won't get into the main reason behind my hatred for that church,because not all LDS members are bad,in fact,some of my really good friends are LDS.I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings if anyone here is LDS.I was baptised as a non-denominal Christian in the late 90's in California.I had been attending the North Coast Calvary Chapel in Carlsbad/La Costa,CA Now I do not attend any religion at all,the only one that even comes close to what I believe in,is Buddhism. I believe that God is more of an essence,then an actual being,like all things that are good and beautiful,like love,and happiness,just all that is positive in everything in life,and after.Enlightenment.That's just what I believe.But I still believe you can pray,and it will be heard. I just want to feel better,but there are so many out there that are worse off than me,that it would be selfish to ask for that,unless I'm asking for the others to feel better.:confused: Hi Justice :) I can't help but notice that you are in Utah... did you grow up LDS? I can also fully understand you're not wanting to be there, lol.... I went to a boarding school in Utah. I much prefer San Diego too...I'm an O.B. woman!

I gave up on religion many moons ago. I am a very spiritual person, though. Your relationship with God is personal, and you really don't need any person to lead you to Him. Ministers etc. are human, with human motivations like greed, envy and lust. They may not mean to, but they cannot help but insert their personal foibles into their teachings.

Yes, I do firmly believe that God doesn't give you more than you can handle. The problem is that WE seldom know what we can handle till it slaps us in the face, lol. I have had rsd/crps for 14 years now, hiv/aids for 8, and was diagnosed with epilepsy this year. If someone had ever told me I'd get all these diseases and be able to handle it, I'd have laughed at them and said "not me, no way... I'd kill myself first". Well, I'm still here, even if I'm not always sure why. :eek:

[colombiangirl1]

i like what you said about Learning to like yourself, and, learning to know that you do not need the approval of others to feel like a worthy person. This, is something I'm trying to learn right now. I am recently divorced, but, when my ex-husband was about to leave the other night to move out, I called for him to come back. I just couldn't deal with being all alone here, in the middle of an emotional crisis from my illness. I do love him. But, more as a friend, then, a lover. We have decided that we're dating, but, not being exclusive. I don't know. I'm sick of putting him on this roller-coaster of ups and downs. One minute we're together, the next, we're not. I'm in cognitive therapy, but, I haven't been going very long. I need to learn how to deal with my illness, and, the strong emotions that come with it, on my own. Pray for me please.

Peace, and, Love
Cgirl

[Chemar]

this is such an important thread to support you, Justice :hug: and also for others to feel comfortable talking about what we believe and why, and how we feel about life's burdens and trials.

all I want to ask is that everyone remember that the Sanctuary is here as a spiritual haven for everyone and that religion is a subject that can quickly get people offended, especially when negative things are said about their religion.

so what I would ask please is that there be sensitivity to the fact that we have many faiths and many denominations and groups here (yep, even those who go to Calvary Chapel like me :D )

Let's try not to be specific in "dissing" any groups and therefore not hurting members feelings who may be part of that faith or denomination or group.

I am not singling any posts out here in asking this....I am just being pro-active in the hope that this thread will stay honest while still being supportive of ALL.


That way we can keep this valuable discussion alive.
:grouphug:

[SallysMom]

Justice,

It sounds like you experienced spiritual abuse along with a lot of other abuse. I am so sorry you had to go through this.

Columbiangirl,

Don't beat yourself up for needing someone. Sometimes we are just not strong enough to go it alone. You will get stronger. The thing is you must realize that you are important. You count and are worth taking care of. I will pray for you.:hug:

The main thing about God, according to my belief, is that is does not have a denomination. He is just God. He also has time for everyone. You don't have to worry about whether your need is less severe than someone else's.

Jesus came to earth to show us what God was like, then he took our punishment which took care of the sin problem. God just wants to love us. He doesn't want to hurt us. He wants what is best for us. What we need to do is learn to trust him and lean on Him........and also lean on each other.

Judy

[crytears]

Is it GOD that ""gives"" us these trials?....think about this...if GOD does NO harm, only good...then where does bad things come from? From GOD? NO!
If God gives us these pains...then how could a loving god allow a tiny baby to suffer such horrific pain such as from a burn all by the hands of someone?
How could a loving god allow someone to be so mentally taunted they tear at their skin, eyes or anything loose....then I ask...why do people committe suicide if god didn't give them any more than what they can handle?
Why do people go insane, go mad, become catatonic?
Have we ever thought of it as from a different source....that all bad comes from sin....or from somethine evil such as satan?
Perhaps so...then in the story Job...God doesn't allow satan to give us more than we can handle...he allows only so much.
The story of Job is proof for what I'm saying.
But then there's the verse God lets it "rain" on the just and unjust!
We live in a sinful world....where illness, sickness, bad genes, peoples poor choices....practicing "free wills"...such as allowing a child to be raped and gets away with this....God cannot and will NOT stop this because this would be a controling God...not allowing us to practice our own free will.
If we want to drive drunk....what ever happens is only our fault...not Gods.

If a pregnant woman wants to smoke crack while pregnant...its not Gods will this baby be born blind and suffer a long life of pain...it was all its mothers doing...not Gods!
If I want to eat foods that harm my body, I get diabetis, suffer from this, may have heart disease....this is all my own doing, not Gods.
But not everyone that practices poor habits dies and suffers illness. Just look at George Burns....he did everything wrong! Lived a long healthy life!
He was just lucky to have good genes! I don't!
My dear hubby doesn't smoke,drink or chew...at age 36 he got a deadly form of mouth cancer! This guy does't even cuss! Teaches bible class, is a godly man....while another family member of ours curses god day and night, smokes anything can light, drinks sunup to sundown, nasty disposition, convicted rapist, just one nasty jerk! He's 50 years old, never sick a day in his life!
Everyone who knows this rotten man could do without him...while my hubby is adored and loved by all....very smart and gifted man who loves teaching.
He's suffered many years from this mouth cancer and effects from the "fall out" from cancer treatment, radiation and return of cancers too many times.
I ask God....why? Why Larry and not the other jerk who deserves it if anyone does. But I've learned....Life is never fair! Life is totally unfair.
Maybe we have it all wrong and need to put the blame where needs be...Perhaps its not God that gives us pain...its from living "life on planet earth" while under satans control only to point of what God allows....when His, Gods, purpose is fulfilled and He's had enough of sin...then this will all be over and done with....then we'll have a new life where sin won't ever touch us again...imagine having eternal life without ever suffering again! I can't wait! This is what keeps me going...that one day my suffering will be over and I'll live a much better life after this one.
The bible is very clear of how this will play out to the end of time.


Justice...I'm going to post a few pics for ya....you'll love it! I'm Califonia dreamin! I'm a California gal! But live in Oregon now....love it here too!
Don't miss those brown hills and Rattle Snake mountain....yikes!
Were you born in SD? If so what hospital? My mom was OB nurse at El Cajon Vlly hosp 1968-1980's......We lived in Casa De Oro....FIL has 1 acre home on MT Helix....will be our inheritance soon...yippie! Worth loads $$ But i'd never live there again. I used to work at Los Colinas....:eek: and drove a 7up car!
You should know what this is! LoL!
Anyway....Godbless. Cheryl

[dorrie]

Hi Columbian Girl 1 Thanks for your reply. You hang in there! Alot of us are not used to taking the care neccessary to look after ourselves in the right way. We are so used to wanting and thinking we need another person to help us feel ok. I think everyone likes companionship. When you are alone and feeling sad, look to God for that companionship. He loves you and wants the best for you. You can depend on him to be there for you. Keep reaching out to him to fill the emptiness that you feel...he is there, Columbiangirl, just wanting for you to reach out to him.....Reach out and do not stop. Develop a friendship with him like no other and go to him when you are lonely....he will never leave you. Have faith in him. You won't reget it!!!!I am praying for you!!!

[colombiangirl1]

Thanks

Peace, and Love
-Cgirl-

[dorrie]

Your are very welcome. Have a great night..you are in my thoughts and prayers

[theoneRogue420]

Justice,

I, too, had problems with the L.D.S.... I was moved to Idaho from L.A. as a teen, which turned out to be a very bad idea, to say the least. I am NOT saying all mormons are bad, nothing of the kind! They are usually much better parents than my own father ever was... I was rather jealous of their "family home evenings", truth be told. If I had been in a different area, I could have had issues with another religion, or with a gang, whatever. Any time one group has a majority hold over an area, the "outsiders" will always lose, sometimes in a dramatic fashion. If you are unlucky enough to be a part of the group, yet not believe as they all do, it can be even worse.

I can only speak for myself, but when I use the phrase "God never gives you more than you can handle", I do NOT mean He purposely put you in whatever awful situation you find yourself in. I think of Him in more of a parental role... you can't always stop the bad things from happening to your children, but you can certainly help them through the aftermath! When you see your child reaching their limit, it's time to step in and ease the burden.

I am a very strong woman, but I have my limits, lol. When I find myself crying, weak and needy, I don't turn to another human being. I talk to my God. I don't even believe He changes the situation... I feel He gives you more strength to deal with it.

Religion will always be a touchy subject for everyone. For some reason, we humans are incapable of accepting others as they are. We feel our way of thinking/being is better, and we can't seem to stop ourselves from trying to convince everyone else to see things our way. IMHO, all that does is drive the different factions farther apart.

Spirituality is a totally different story. When we discuss it, instead of speaking of religion, we tend to find a LOT more common ground.

[Justice]

I was actually born in Riverside,so I'm a native! But you know,my family thought it would be safer to raise the children with the rest of the Mormons in Utah when I was 4 1/2 years old! I didn't want to go.I remember telling my Dad that when I got old enough,I would move back to CA,and I did! But my Mom said that the reason that I'm attracted to the ocean so much,and it actually calls to me in a way,like mentally.It sounds crazy,but the ocean does call to me,like it's some type of telepothy or something.Anyway,she said that the LDS believe that satan controls the waters,and that I'm evil! That it's actually satan calling me!:eek:
But all I know is that our Bishop when I was a child was the evil one!:mad: I can't get into why in an open forum.RULES!!

[Chemar]

Justice
it is sad that people would say things like that to you.

God created the waters and they are His

I do understand that there is a lot of hurt you have carried and sadly put on you by people who should have been showing you God's Love :hug:

Thanks for understanding that it isn't just forum "rules" that make us suggest that sensitivity to other people's beliefs should be shown here in the Sanctuary....it is knowing that we have many members from many different faiths, cultures and creeds and this just is not the place to enter into deep discussions about what we dont like about particular religions.

There are forums that are specific for religious discussion and debate, but this Sanctuary is here for a different reason.

The expressions of understanding and support and offers of prayer that make up a large part of this thread are truly what this Sanctuary is meant for.

:grouphug:

[Justice]

I did mention rules..lol...but it wasn't because I wanted to slam on anyone religion.It was just some content that I didn't want to offend anyone with.;)
But I do believe that there is some truth in all faiths,just not 100% truth in 1 faith,because I believe that God is everywhere,and with all faiths,not just one.His love is spread out around the entire universe,and all of existence,in all cultures,like you said,and all religions,even the twisted one's,there the one's that need him the most!:grouphug:

[David]

I was raised in a really twisted religious envoronment,so I get really confused about the truth about God,and sometimes right and wrong,in the laws of God,not the laws of the land.But I was told once that God would not give any one person more than they can handle.Is that really true?Does anyone know? ..... My family didn't teach me the truth about the religion I grew up in,they almost made it up as they went,so I didn't get the real version of that religion!

Justice,
I think the opposite is actually true. God sometimes gives us more than we can handle so we can learn to depend totally on Him. When Jesus died on the cross, he died for your sins, but he also wants to live his life in you. Here is a quote I have heard a lot lately....

Jesus gave His life FOR us, so that He could give His Life TO us, so that He could live His Life THROUGH us.Judy :)

Justice, I've found lots of my perceptions about who I thought God is to be "twisted" as you say. As a Christian, I find God's living Word and written Word to be the sources of Truth. So, I thought if you would like we would look at what the scriptures have to say about your very important question.

Actually, at first glance your statement "that God would not give any one person more than they can handle" seems to be legit. I mean I've heard sayings similar to this off and on my whole life, but just because you hear something over and over doesn't make it true. Let's check the Bible and specifically look at 1 Cor. 10:13: "No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, that you may be able to endure it." There it is God will not give you a __________. Wait. It doesn't say burden but instead it says "temptation." Temptations and burdens are totally different.

Now, let's find some other verses, specifically 2 Corinthians 1:8-9: "For we do not want you to be unaware, brethren, of our affliction which came to us in Asia, that we were burdened excessively, beyond our strength, so that we despaired even of life; indeed, we had the sentence of death within ourselves so that we would not trust in ourselves, but in God who raises the dead." Notice that even Paul was burdenened excessively and even despaired of life. Ever felt that way? Why would God allow such a great man like Paul, who had important missionary work to accomplish, to be burdened excessively? Why would He allow such great pains to you and me? Many on this thread have given possible answers to this. I doubt we will know all of the answers to this on this side of heaven, but I think I know part of it. You see we all are born into this world wanting to do our own thing. Salvation is marvelous, but even if you have been saved, we continue to remain in control of our life most of the time. Oh, we may strive and try hard to live the Christian life, but at some point as circumstances overwhelm us and we feel burdened excessively to the point that we give up. God you are going to have to live through me. Finally, God replies: "now, you are ready to trust me and not yourselves." Hey, this is what happened to me anyway. As we give up and let God teach us, we find life liveable again. Slowly, we find some peace on occasions despite circumstances. I loose this peace and continue to struggle and God gently nudges me once again to depend on him. For brief periods of time, I find myself experiencing the "abundant life" promised in John 10:10. Oh, how I want more of that life, the life of Christ living abundantly through me. Are you interested in living such an abundant life? Any comments?

And to Sally's Mom, Amen. As we are burdened excessively and then depend on Christ, we learn that indeed "Jesus gave His life FOR us, so that He could give His Life TO us, so that He could live His Life THROUGH us."

David

[Justice]

Oh,David,I'm so sorry! I didn't mean to come out as meaning that God himself is Twisted.I meant that the religous teachings I was being taught as a child was twisted,like the kind of things that my Mother was telling me about my families religion was extremely twisted.But I truly do not believe that God is Twisted,God is Love,and Love is not twisted at all,it's the most powerful thing in the world,I believe.I'm so sorry you misunderstood what I meant.I really hope I didn't offend you.But I'm glad you said something,because if you took it that way,some others may have also,and I would have wanted to straighten this out.I don't want to sound evil! God has blessed me with so much in my life,and to call him twisted would offend me as well.I hope you understand better what I meant now,and don't look at me as a bad person.:confused:

[KathyM]

Aw, Justice, we know you're not a twisted sister. :p You wouldn't be here doing the twist with us if you were. :p I'm often misunderstood in the same way. :o

I can't speak for David, but I think he was just offering specific counseling and interpretation of the Bible in case you were interested in further Bible study.

Don't worry, no one will beat you up for being "evil" here, even if you're into that sort of thing. I don't think you are though - that would be....twisted :D

[David]

Oh,David,I'm so sorry! I didn't mean to come out as meaning that God himself is Twisted.I meant that the religous teachings I was being taught as a child was twisted,like the kind of things that my Mother was telling me about my families religion was extremely twisted.But I truly do not believe that God is Twisted,God is Love,and Love is not twisted at all,it's the most powerful thing in the world,I believe.I'm so sorry you misunderstood what I meant.I really hope I didn't offend you.But I'm glad you said something,because if you took it that way,some others may have also,and I would have wanted to straighten this out.I don't want to sound evil! God has blessed me with so much in my life,and to call him twisted would offend me as well.I hope you understand better what I meant now,and don't look at me as a bad person.:confused:

Justice,

Oh no, I never thought you were saying God is twisted or that you were sounding evil. I think EVERYONE has misconceptions about God because our families that raised us were imperfect and the churches that taught us were imperfect and also because there is an enemy in this world that desires to deceive us about our wonderful God. Or, at least that is MY story. So, now that I have clarified your concern maybe you and others can reread my thread if interested and if you have questions about the content, please reply. I am inconsistent in checking threads, but I will make a point to return eventually.

David

P.S. - Amen to "God is Love."

[SallysMom]

Justice,

You are no more twisted then the rest of us. LOL. In fact we have all been or are now going through something. That's why we are here. Without getting specific, religions can be twisted or people twist them or .......well you already know that. God is different. He is bigger and wiser than all of that. If fact he is love himself as you pointed out.

David was pointing out what he has experienced as well as what the Bible has to say. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

By the way, welcome back David. We have actually posted together before, (see the back page of this board - a thread called Grace Walk.)

What we have learned is that God is not a mean God who wants everything a certain way and then zaps us when we don't measure up. Yes, as I mentioned in my earlier posts, the Bible teaches that Jesus did come to earth and die for the sins of the world. If we as individuals admit we have sinned and receive the gift of salvation - also known as mercy and grace, then we can know that we are saved. Once that issue is settled, then how do we live?
Do we still try to do the best we can, trying to measure up to a God that never seems to be satisfied?

No! God himself not only does not condemn us but comes right where we are and helps us. He continues to do that. He is not our enemy. He loves us more than we love ourselves. Why? Because he made us and doesn't give up on us.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

As Chemar pointed out, this is a muti-faith board. I think she means we are not to bash any particular brand of religion. I, and I think I can speak for David and others, are talking specifically about Christianity and what the Bible says. If people are not interested in that, that is all right, but I think it is OK to talk about this in general terms......Moderators correct me if I'm wrong.

Now, Justice, you have been through a lot. You have been hurt. I validate your feelings. I don't believe you need to apologize to anyone. You have raised a very good question at the beginning of this thread.

Judy:)

[Justice]

I do believe in the Bible,and would allow one in my house.But Book of Mormons,are not allowed in my house or,:eek:
But I'm glad we were able to clear up that misunderstanding that I don't think that God is Twisted.

[Chemar]

just wanted to leave a :hug: for Justice and more :grouphug: for everyone else too

May your day be blessed
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[Justice]

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT! BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN REALLY OBJECTIVELY DISCUSS RELIGION AND ISSUES WITHIN RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.I KNOW I STARTED THIS THREAD WITH MY QUESTION ABOUT GOD,BUT I FEEL LIKE MY QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED BY MANY OF YOU,AND I APPRECIATE THE HELP! SO HUGS TO YOU ALL!:grouphug:
NOW I'M OUT! ANY PRIVATE MESSAGES I'LL EXCEPT,BUT I CAN'T SAY WHAT I REALLY THINK IN OPEN FORUM! I'M SORRY,BUT I HAVE TO THINK OF ALL THE MEMBERS FEELINGS,NOT JUST A CERTAIN FEW.MUCH PEACE AND LOVE!;)

[Chemar]

that's ok Justice. I sure do understand :hug: When things have hurt us deeply it colors so much doesnt it.:(

you are always welcome in the Sanctuary. we can love and support you even without details Justice. :grouphug:

[Justice]

I just have such strong feelings towards a certain faith,that if someone mentioned it,I'm afraid it would get me started on it! And I don't want anyone to misunderstand what I say,because I'm already confused enough about the truth! I know what is not the truth,but I don't know for certain what is,in certain areas.:confused:
But at least I brought David out of the woodwork!:rolleyes: I'm just playing David! No Offence!:hug:

[Justice]

Where Is God!

[Chemar]

:hug: Justice....God is everywhere.

I know it seems otherwise when we are in tough times, or when horrid things happen.......but I firmly believe He is always close by.

For me, it was when I stopped looking for Him thru other people's eyes, and saw Him for myself, that my faith became a living vital force in my life.

I pray that for you too

with love
Cheri

[KathyM]

Justice

I heard he was working down at the soup kitchen today. He doesn't always check in with us, but what can ya do about it? He's God, can't fire him. :p

Is there something we can do for you in the meantime? ;)

[snoozie]

Hi Justice. As Cheri said God is everywhere just reach out to him. It seems too simple to work like that but it does. I am new to all of this too and I just didn't see how it could be so simple. I have found that I feel closer to God on my own rather than when I am in church. Don't get me wrong I feel God there too but it is more personal when I am alone.

Take your puppy in your lap and relax and just talk to him. He is waiting for your call. Oh and it's free, no long distance charges...Sue

We are here for you Justice, always know that. :hug:

[SallysMom]

I can give you His phone number! :)

Jer 33:3

Jeremiah 33:3

3 Call to Me and I will answer you, and I will tell you great and mighty things, which you do not know.

I know that that is a simple answer, but people are the ones who make it difficult. I can tell you where not to look. Don't look in creeds, and rituals, and rules. He is everywhere, but he will live in your heart if you ask him to.

Love,
Judy

[theoneRogue420]

Sallysmom, that has to be the best answer ever given! I love it! ;)

[busy mum]

i also grew up with many different teachings about God, first the catholic faith as a young child, but that was more of something to do on easter and christmas. Later i found my own church and realised that God is a personal experience not something that you are taught.
God is a big part of my life and my families life, we pray together knowing that god will hear our prayers, and love us no matter what. I have seen some amazing thing, my 3 year old daughter had a on going cough, so i took her to the doctors, she was running around so i thought she had a cold the doctors found she had pneumonia and told me to take her to hospital, that night she stopped breathing and if we had not been at the hospital i dont know what would have happen, God gave me the strenght to get though that night and many other long night.
God gives me the peace of knowing that i am never alone. If you ask the lord for the understanding to your many questions then you will have your answers. Remenber that god is your father and a father is not only there thought the good times but a father is the to protect and cherish, there is no great love then a father love for his child.

[Justice]

Ya know what really tripped me and my brother out,right after my Dad died? I couldn't take my Dad off my cell phone,contact list,so I changed the numbers for my Dad to all zero's.Well one day me,and my little brother were driving home from Walmart and I heard my cell phone ring,and I looked at the caller ID,and it was a photo of my Dad,with all the zero's,I just looked at my brother in shock,and he said,are you gonna answer your phone? I just said it's Dad! He just looked at me,and said"are you taking your medication!" lol....and I said I'm not kidding,look at the caller ID,and I showed him,then his face just turned white.But there was no voice mail left,for me to check later. Then it happened again a couple days later,when I was feeling down.
So,actually I think his number is 0 (000) 000-0000! And my Dad and him are very close! And they both have a sence of humor!;)

Or just refer to Luke 11:9 .................

[KathyM]

LOL Justice. Maybe he was calling you to let you know he made it there safely. :D

The day before my father died, he asked me to bring mom in for some final words. He told me he wanted me to have the house. Mom was supposed to go live with my sister in TX. I told him I couldn't live in the house, so he grudgingly told me to sell it and give half to my sister. That was fine by me because I wanted NOTHING to do with the house.

We talked about a few other things, then he started to talk about the house again. He went into detail about how to fix a blown fuse. I didn't want him to waste his breath (lung cancer), so I reminded him I wouldn't be living in the house.

After our conversation, he told me to go home and to work the next day. I desperately wanted to stay, but he was afraid I'd lose my job for taking so much time off work. :rolleyes:

My neighbor called me at work the next day and asked me to return. I flew like a bat outta hell to get there. At first he looked so peaceful, like he was finally getting some sleep. My heart sunk to my feet when I saw his chest wasn't moving.

When I pulled myself together, I realized my diabetic mother hadn't eaten. I warmed up some food for her in the microwave - and blew a FUSE. At first I thought, "oh great, NOW what do I do?" Then I remembered all that rambling about blown fuses. :D

[SallysMom]

Justice,

I don't know what to say. I do know that God has a sense of humor. He made me. :p

Kathy,

That was an amazing story. It may have been God working through your Dad to see that you were taken care of.......and to let you know that he, your dad, and God - both love you!

Judy:)

[Justice]

Yeah,those calls really tripped me out! But the look on my brothers face,was definately a Kodak moment! lol... I thought he was gonna run that red light,and there was a cop parked at the corner,how would he explain that! LOL................When the local cops already have a major problem with my 3 youngest brothers,and he was one of them,and me! I would've been laughing so hard,while he was trying to explain to that cop,what made him run that light! LOL...........
A few months before my Dad died,he had dementia really bad,and he was convinced that a UFO was gonna be coming to pick him up when he died,and that when they arrived to the "Mother ship",he would be given his own UFO to travel with,and that he was going to come back and heal me,and my brothers burns on his legs(the same bro.in the car),and then take us for a spin around the universe! I wonder what he's thinking now that he knows the truth,and his mind has gone back to normal!:D
I always sat for hours and listened to his stories,because most of my family wouldn't,but he just wanted someone to listen,and talk to,and I didn't think it was too much to ask,no matter how out there it was,he was my Dad! And I loved him no matter what he believed,because he is the one that taught me unconditional love, and showed me that love my whole life,so I just showed it back! Out of 9 boy's,and 2 girl's,I was Daddy's little girl,and alway's will be!:hug:

[SallysMom]

(((Hug)))

I love your attitude!!!

Judy:D

[Justice]

If he would have got pulled over and had to explain anything like that,I'd be $10,000.00 richer from America's funniest home video's,either that,or it would have been put on America's dumbest criminals,as an excuse to run a light,but it would have been worth every second..:D
But then they would have thought I was on speed or something because my pulse had jumped to probably about 180! it's normally between 120-135!:eek: