View Full Version : meds for depression, mood disorder
08-09-2007, 08:15 PM
when i went through my loss recently and depression i was put on lexpro and after initally need to work it up, I really feel it helping focus, and sadness from overhwelming emotions. cuts my appatite too.
my son has been going through depression and anxiety attacks. he has heart problems and seizures.
wonder what meds are the good well working lest side effects, he had problems with side effects on Effexor.
The older son too, they want to start on cymbalta. in with depression mood problems, he has tumors in his brain on the pituatary gland.
i am lost anymore about the meds, some that i know my daughter was on for varing reaseons were;
Trazadone to sleep, Topamax, for migraines, neurontin for nerve pain, paxil, prozak...bad extrem reactions to SsRi's seizures, saw dead relatives, brain wouldnlt let bladder know to pee.
serequol, and i think cymbalta she had diabetes from.
being mom, i know the forum pro's know a lot more then the doc's on the use as doc's aren;t using meds!!!!
08-10-2007, 05:43 PM
I just wanted to acknowledge your loss and say that I'm sorry that you have that to go through.
I've had various prescriptions over the years, especially after losses... there were always side affects...
I had no idea that I was low on B12 until after I'd tried to kill myself.
It took a long time to get enough replacement (of B12) to make a difference, but once I had, the difference was very great.
Now I'm going through nearly the same things as at the time I tried to kill myself, but this time my mind is more active and suicide doesn't enter the picture.
It was when I was about to try to kill myself that I noticed the pronounced ridges on my fingernails... and I wondered if they had anything to do with my nerves.
Now, ten years later and a lot of B12 injections later, my nails are nearly smooth. Not perfectly, but in comparison to before, VERY smooth.
If you have ridges on your fingernails, or are losing your moons, look at a list of symptoms of low B12... My son has the same problem I do, a tendency to low B12, and my mother did before me.
08-12-2007, 01:00 AM
Oh Karen, Thanks for posting. It was just the right time. I had a moment when trying to sleep I got so sad. I am OK, but saw a picture of my kids at Disney last fall and realized My daughter is not here for anymore pictures. So it was so nice to see a reply and smiling face when i came on. I guess it is just sad, not anxiety.
I am tested for B-12 and from many long years of Comsmetology training we could see medical definacies in the nails, the color, moons, ridges, how far up the ridges, dull, shiney, tips thin, overlay thick etc...
But I use to think when things happen in life you have to take care of them, emotionally, not with a pill...I know with my Lexapro I can focus more, I do not spend so much of each day so sad. I get concern of the mention of Cymbalta.....Fret, I am full of fret...
My boys, have so much more then just loosing their sister, their health, stress of finances.
I did have younger B 12 checked, his nails are so long and strong, gosh I get envious. My older boy is getting his prolactin checked soon so I will tell him to be checked, I will also look for the ridges.
I can remember post surgery heart, my Mom had such ridges, they gave her not only B 12 she had to take lactose too for amonia levels, she went onto a comma a few times after that. What amess when systems are out of whack..
The older son with pituatary tumoor and adrenal gland shut downscertainly has trouble.
Sorry to rattle on...
I jsut so hope to fall asleep, with work in the morning.
Hugs to you, have a good Sunday,
08-12-2007, 01:24 AM
Gosh, I hope you get some good sleep, DiMarie.
I agree with you, when I was younger the idea of taking pills all the time (except for Ibuprfen which I used to take a lot of because I had such bad headaches whenever there was stress, and there was alot of stress) I just couldn't imagine it.
I used to think how horrible it would be to get diabetes and have to have shots, and now here I am with these shots with a needle that's an inch and a half long...
I'm so sorry you have so much to deal with. Gosh, it's just so hard when there's that much.
They've been talking a lot on pbs programs about how in the United States a lot of people who work really hard feel really let down, because they can't earn enough not to worry.
so as soon as a lot of people are talking about something, then I think there's a chance for change...
Back to B12... because the low in the U.S. is so low, way lower than where changes for the worse in cognition can be identified, I don't place a lot of faith in the tests...
For me, since B12 isn't toxic, I think that it's good to take it if there are symptoms that correspond to those of low B12... B12 deficiency.
But you have to get the Methylcobalamin form to have it make a difference more quickly...
I'm really sorry about your daughter.
While you're so sad, I wish you would get some Methylcobalamin and take it... and write down your symptoms and any changes.
I really wish you would do that. Do you have a health food store near you?
I hope you are sound asleep right now. :)
08-12-2007, 02:26 AM
I am not sure about Methylcobalamin? I will check it out....
Does it come in chocolate cookies? What about Ice cream? :D
I bet it comes in hugs from great cyber friends!
I will look tomorrow.....If a little heaviness could leave, it would be good.
I did have a good night too Karen, I talked with BF, and family was up, we ahd a campfire. It was just the picture of my daughter, she was smiling so huge, having such a great time. She would never want to be gone, so much life to live yet...Chronic pain sucks, life and breath from one.
Thanks for chatting tonight I will look into the ideas.
Oh I do have hpyothyroid
PS I am so glad that it has helped you, so that you are here to share and help us!
08-12-2007, 09:51 AM
I was thinking of you right away this morning when I woke up, so I'm glad you wrote something that I came here and found.
I think that what you write about Methylcobalamin is a bit true. About it being in hugs. And I'm not kidding.
I wrote about that on my weight loss page... I was explaining how all my life the dentists have told me I had a lot of "tartar". Now I think they call it plaque.
Then two times in my life the plaque had fallen off in chucks... all by itself. Once was after a party in London that the truant officer had invited me to. (Long story, but I tend to get along with a lot of different people. He'd come to my house because my son was late for school so much.)
At the party people were just so nice to me. People were there from all different countries.
The next day, chucks of tartar were falling off my teeth... (yes, I clearly was not going to the dentist very often, but also it used to build up really quickly)
So I thought it must have been from all the garlic that "must have" been in the chip dip... so after that I've always eaten a lot of garlic... but I never got that kind of result again...
Then, many years later, here in Santa Fe, I had a court hearing and I was afraid I wouldn't say things right and I asked some people, all different people, to come with me, and a lot of them did. And I won, :) and the next day, same thing chunks of plaque fell off.
So now, what I think, now that I know about B12, mainly through my experiece of replacement therapy, is that I don't have plaque build up like that any more.
Which makes me think that in the same way that major stress uses up B12, major warmth and love do something that replaces it.
I hope you do go and get it... but get the 5mg ones. Did I mention that you should get the lozenges? They actually taste great... they don't taste like medicine at all -- My gosh, I'm hungry for one now!!!!!!
Your campfire sounds really nice.
Your daughter was very beautiful, she looked a lot like you. I'm very slow... so I only just realized that's a picture of your daughter, I thought it was you with your hair a different color.
What a nice thing of you to say to me, about being glad I come and share, thank you sooooo much.
08-12-2007, 02:13 PM
I was just thinking about you.
I hope work is going well. :)
08-12-2007, 07:35 PM
I was just thinking about you.
I hope work is going well. :)
Hi Karen, I just dropped by a few minutes, for checking email and to say happy Birthday to BF...
I saw you signed your name, Kline,
My daughters last name....Kline.....Karma
My daughters hair was a very beige blonde color but she loved the personality of a redhead. I think in thr coping with grief forum there are a few more pictures of DeAnne.
Glad you looked for a post, I will look for the losages too.
08-13-2007, 11:36 PM
Hi DiMarie -
I'm sorry it took me so long to find this post from you.
I couldn't go to sleep last night, so I was up late this morning and then I had a hard time staying organized some of the day... I had so much to do, and I just could not keep focused when it got later in the day.
I hope you find the lozenges. (((((((DiMarie))))))
You know, I don't know how your daughter died. Do you want to tell me. Or is that too painful? or do you want to put a link here if you explained in the other forum?
But please, don't let me pressure you. I don't mean to do that.
So her last name was Kline?
My brother lives in Mechanicsburg, or did. We aren't very close. (to say the least)
You know what, Sans Comic is about my most favorite font. I loved seeing that you were using it. :)
I better go, I'm soooo tired, and tomorrow I have to finish this court stuff...
I hope you sleep well tonight!
08-19-2007, 10:47 PM
Di, just dropped by and saw your post. I wish I knew what to tell you. Hugs to you my friend. I hope the saddness will lighten up. It took me a little over a year before I really adjusted to my loss. Everyone is different though. Let me know what I can do if anything. :hug:
08-20-2007, 12:57 AM
I like your little Disney lineup -- it's cute :p You tend to not think of Disney characters as having to be involved in that :D
I'd be careful of both Effexor and Cymbalta for both your sons.
They're a new class of drugs. Supposed to be the "next generation" Prozac. I was in the clinical trials for Prozac for over two years and took it for over 10 years after it came on the market (good drug, for me). I was in the Cymbalta trials for about 6 months -- got kicked out cause it was not working on my depression but it WAS working on my neuropathic pain.
This class of drugs is a combination of what made up the old Prozac (a serotonin reuptake inhibitor) plus a norepinephrine (norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor).
Both Effexor and Cymbalta plus Paxil can cause MAJOR withdrawal symptoms that can last for months if you don't ramp down very-very slowly.
In my experience, I've gone into HUGE withdrawal symptoms within just 7 days of not taking the Effexor XR due to weather and transportation problems.
Also, my depression (which has been pretty stable for quite awhile) kicked up early in the Summer. I suspect it might have had something to do with getting epidural injections for my back. I always turn into 'ROID witch (http://smilies.sofrayt.com/hal2/halloween27.gif) when I get those. This time, though, I got depressed instead of angry.
I wanted to go back on the Prozac in addition to the Effexor XR. My doctor wouldn't do that. She ramped up the Effexor XR. Good Lord :eek: Racy -- like I was on speed -- that's the adrenaline. My pain was worse. I couldn't sleep. Took almost a month to get leveled back down to my original dosage. I hate doctors that don't listen to their patients :mad:
You might want to read this http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/wdrawl/ -- a real good resource about this type of drugs.
I'd be leery of giving your sons Cymbalta or Effexor or Paxil.
If they're in clinical depression, partly because of losing their sister and partly because of any other 'issues' that they've got going on, I'd recommend, as a first step, talking therapy -- maybe with a time limit on it. If results weren't seen from that, then I'd go with the older drugs that have been around quite awhile.
I don't know how old your boys are. But, they're seeing a lot of problems with SSRIs and SNRIs in younger people. They're now not recommended for adolescents.
I hope some of this helped. I know how confusing all this stuff is. They're just starting to find out now that drugs like Prozac (which were great and leveled out people like me who just could not function) -- they're finding out that these drugs are actually changing the architecture of the brain. Who knows the long-term implications of that. It would be wonderful if we had a Food and Drug Administration that really did "administer" :mad:
BIG HUGS (and love).
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