For those of you interested in NeuroFeedback therapy

[PCS McGee]

A therapist I saw some time ago has started working with a modality that he thought might help me called Brain State Technologies. So I checked out their site and watched the first video on this page:

http://www.brainstatetech.com/video.html

I remember people a while ago having this extremely strong interest in NeuroFeedback therapy, but none of them seemed to be able to get any real information on it. Well, this Brain State Tech stuff is (according to the video, anyway) based on Neurofeedback therapy, so you might find the video enlightening.

The clip is long (40 minutes), and in truth it doesn't directly talk very much about its applications towards brain injuries very much (if at all), but there is a REALLY interesting section of the video that shows how a mouse's brain reacts to a significant internal trauma. Basically, even after the actual trauma has subsided, the mouse's brain continues to hold onto its defense pattern that was created during that trauma, in essence leaving the brain in a state of degraded suspended animation (instead of just going back to working the way it was before the trauma occurred), at least that's how I interpreted it anyway.

I haven't watched the second video, so I can't comment on that, but I know a lot of us on here aren't working regularly, so at the very least... hey, decent way to kill 40 minutes, right?

[jeffn]

To PCS Mc Gee

Thank you for the link. I watched the second video by Robert Scaer and need to watch this several more times to get a full understand of how trauma effects the brain.

Two very important keys for me in regards to TBI in this report that migraine headaches and asthma are related to the head trauma as I experience both of these symptoms. Dr. Scaer also explains that people who have experienced a TBI will continue to re injure themselves, that has been my experience over the last 4 years and it seems to be a common tread with others who post here. We continue to re injure ourselves and we don't know why.

For the last few days I've been asking myself where's the reset button. Dr Scaer explains that the brain can be healed but the trauma needs to be removed from the brain. The symptoms migraine headaches, asthma, chronic fatigue, chronic pain and the list goes on are warning signs that the brain is frozen in the traumic experience and continues to replay the trauma, creating the sypmtoms chronic fatigue / chronic pain ect.

I'm currently in the process of writing up a treatment program for myself and this information is one of the keys I was looking for in regards to the healing process.

Thank you I think I found part of the solution. Jeffn :)

[PCS McGee]

Alright, I watched the second video, this one IS good.

There's a lot of fairly heavy psychiatric/neurological language, and the lack of visual aids (the ones he's referencing no less) is annoying, but what this guy is saying is RIGHT ON.

I was seeing a therapist for a long time who bore a striking resemblance to this man both in teams of appearance and philosophical leanings, and he actually showed me the polar bear video that this guy talks about at the beginning of his lecture. After seeing that, I can tell you with every degree of certainty that when an animal does let go of a trauma in the way this man describes, it is a frighteningly violent reaction.

That said, if I'd gone into a discharge seizure moments after I hit my head (instead of immediately getting up and trying to show everyone that I was okay) I'm absolutely certain that my injury would have healed over within a week (as is, we're at 4 and 1/2 years and counting). The impact itself wasn't at all dramatic, it was the recovery that proved to be bizarre. That's telling.

I'm trying a new hypnosis based therapy tomorrow which I'm hopeful will work for me, but if it doesn't I'm planning to try this brain state technology stuff in January, after I build up enough money to try it (it's not the cheapest therapy on the block... though I guess it costs about the same as a couple months of therapy, and people rarely get much accomplished in a couple months of therapy... I'm living proof :D).

[Lucy]

Great - this does make sense. I have often thought that why is it that those who have a horrifc accident and are unconcious for some time make quick full recoveries compared to me who had little bumps on their head and 6 and half years later are no better?? I have thought that while they are unconcious that their brain gets a chance to rest and repair. Like you I have always tried to act like there is nothing wrong after hitting my head - while the doctors tell you there is nothing wrong as well!! Lynlee

[Nancy F]

I am going to watch videos but wanted to touch on the coma topic. Alot of patients are actually heavily sedated and put in an induced coma initially to enhance healing in the ICU's, I have thought alot about how the less traumatic TBI's are not properly rested and thus have more healing problems. This seeems to be so so important and only makes sense. I know this seems extreme but I have often thought my son would have been better off if he was put into a general anesthesis state like you are in surgery for a few days and then gradually awakened and this would of prevented alot of our troubles. This is just a random thought!!

[jeffn]

To PCS Mc Gee, Looks like there some brain power being applied to this research on NeuroFeedBack.

I order the book Getting Started with NEUROFEEDBACK by John N Demos ISBN number 0-393-7045-5. Barnes & Nobel and it should be in with in 3-4 business days. The Table of Contents seemed interesting as it deals with a wide scope of Nuerofeedback, from how it works, what equipmet to buy and the clinical assessment process and the patients experience/ therapy with the re balancing of the brain waves, make since.

I talk to my friend about this last night who is a hypnotherapies. Jack hold a Doctorate in this field of study and he seemed to think that rebalancing the brain waves was an important place to start and that a person needs both the visual & audio in this rebalancing in order for the brain to relearn what the correct brain waves are in balance. It seems that the 3 main brain waves get knocked out of balance during the truama to the head. Jack also seemed to think that once the brain waves are returned to there correct levels that that this will become part of the brains auto regulartory system and you will be able to do this rebalancing or maintaining of the correct brain wave levels on your own. In his opinion the brain needs both the visual and audio information/ stimuli in order to heal and relearn the correct brain wave levels


I'm a novice in this area of study, so I have a lot of question and research to do before I make a commitment to this type of therapy. I do think that this is part of the solution for me.

I did check out a few clinics on line and there seems to be a two part process. 1. The assessment and 2 The treatment. The bench mark seems to be that you will need 40 sessions at 50.00 125.00 per session plus a follow up every 3-6 mouths and of course your time and fuel cost to make the office visit.

Starting to run the numbers. It looks like I'll need to make a 1200.00 to 1700.00 investment in equipment, hardware and software and I'm not sure if there are any hidden cost at this time.

A friend of mine suggested going into a clinic and experiencing what a neurofeedback session is. Does it work ? How does it work ? and what are the results ? Try before you Buy.

Appealing Kaizen to neurofeedback therapy. Ask small question. Think small thoughts. Take small steps and solve small problems. Thanks for your help Mc Gee. Jeffn :)

Ps How the hypnotherapy session go. Is that helping ? *

[davestrand]

This was a great video, and it's not too far from my house. I am going to contact them, hopefully my doctor can get me in there, and wouldn't it be awesome if my insurance somehow covered it too!

Thanks!
-Dave
Chandler, Arizona

[PCS McGee]

Great - this does make sense. I have often thought that why is it that those who have a horrifc accident and are unconcious for some time make quick full recoveries compared to me who had little bumps on their head and 6 and half years later are no better?? I have thought that while they are unconcious that their brain gets a chance to rest and repair. Like you I have always tried to act like there is nothing wrong after hitting my head - while the doctors tell you there is nothing wrong as well!! Lynlee

I don't mean to be negative Lucy, but I think you're misinterpreting what the videos say.

People who are knocked unconscious by their head injuries don't just wake up refreshed and ready to run a 10k or anything, they experience the same post concussive symptoms that all of us have, and are just as likely to experience prolonged Post Concussion Syndrome as someone who sustains a head injury without losing consciousness. Being knocked out is not a "get out of PCS free card", if anything it's an indication that the actual DAMAGE that was sustained to the brain was more significant than the DAMAGE that was sustained to a person who didn't lose consciousness.

And that's where the real interesting part of this syndrome lies. Most of the people I've met on this site have had CT scans and MRIs that have all come back showing no signs of damage whatsoever, so why does this brain that appears perfectly fine not function that way? The answer, this video asserts, lies in the emotional/psychological trauma that occurs along with the physical impact, or has occurred prior to the physical impact.

When the human brain perceives itself to be in a state of mortal danger, meaning it feels as though it could die as a result of the threat that it's faced with, it enters a defensive stance. If it never surrenders that defensive stance, that moment in time that the threat occurred in essence gets LOCKED into their system. The body still gets up, moves around, goes through its day to day activities, and so on, but the brain remains tied into the moment in time that the injury occurred. In essence, the mind of the person who sustained the trauma is living in a different time than the body of that same person. Consequences including disassociation from friends and relatives, a sense of not being connected to their surroundings, fear, depression, and most importantly in cases of physical injuries, an inability within the body to heal itself, often resulting in chronic pain, mysterious illnesses, and in the case of brain injuries, prolonged post concussion syndrome. That is what the guy in the video was saying, it is not incontrovertible fact, but it is a very compelling argument (and from my personal experience, it is the "right" argument for the problems that I currently face, as the Post Traumatic Stress that my body is locked in has become more and more apparent as I have aged following my injury).

Now, in a lot of our cases, the trauma argument does not make a great deal of sense rationally. Take me for example, it was my birthday, I was drunk, I fell over and hit my head, and then I got back up. Not exactly the most traumatic experience that someone could imagine, BUT, the subconscious mind (where bodily reactions of life or death are resolved) is in no way a rational creature. This explains how some people see a non poisonous spider and think "big deal" while others see that same spider and immediately go into a terror reaction, their thought process at that time being "I'm going to die, and this spider is going to kill me". Same spider, same complete lack of threat, same situation, and yet two entirely different reactions. To use another example, two men sustain identical head injuries, one man's body recognizes his injury as nothing more than a mild concussion, and he heals within a week. The other man's body recognizes his injury as a threat to his very existence, so the body enters a freeze response. 5 years later he has yet to heal. This is the subconscious mind, it is in no way rational.

I would not be at all surprised to find that most everyone on this site either experienced a significant trauma at the time of their injury (such as a violent car accident), or had experienced a significant trauma BEFORE their injury (be it a difficult birth, child abuse, sexual abuse, seeing someone get killed, being attacked by a dog, or anything else you can think of that could leave a lasting psychological mark on the body). If a past trauma is never resolved, the body loses much or all of its resiliency.

In the video Dr. Scaer references a test that was done on a group of baby chicks. The chicks were broken up into 3 groups: one group would be traumatized, then left on its own to discharge the trauma. The second group would be traumatized persistantly until the chicks entered a clear freeze response to their trauma. The third group would not be traumatized at all, this group would be the control (please note that the "traumatizing" they did to these chicks was not violent, it was docile, like flipping them over on their backs or something like that... an action that for whatever reason physiologically causes chicks to enter a fight or flight response).

After the chicks were traumatized (or in the case of the last group, not traumatized), the chicks were placed in a bowl of water to judge their resiliancy to stress.

The chicks that had not been traumatized at all swam for a couple of minutes before running out of energy and sinking to the bottom.

The chicks that had been traumatized but allowed to discharge their trauma actually swam longer than the untraumatized group, before running out of energy and sinking to the bottom.

The chicks that were traumatized repeatedly and not allowed to discharge immediately sank to the bottom without swimming at all.

In the eyes of Dr. Scaer, we fall into the last group. If he's right, resolving the psychological trauma BENEATH the physical injury is the key to healing.

[PCS McGee]

I talk to my friend about this last night who is a hypnotherapies. Jack hold a Doctorate in this field of study and he seemed to think that rebalancing the brain waves was an important place to start and that a person needs both the visual & audio in this rebalancing in order for the brain to relearn what the correct brain waves are in balance. It seems that the 3 main brain waves get knocked out of balance during the truama to the head. Jack also seemed to think that once the brain waves are returned to there correct levels that that this will become part of the brains auto regulartory system and you will be able to do this rebalancing or maintaining of the correct brain wave levels on your own. In his opinion the brain needs both the visual and audio information/ stimuli in order to heal and relearn the correct brain wave levels.

As I understand it (admittedly, I have a pretty rudimentary understanding of the stuff), brain wave technologies works along these same principles. When my therapist was going to get trained using the technology, he said that the therapy strives to get patients brain waves "to mimic those of buddhist monks". Don't know the science behind this though, outside of the stuff shown in the videos that you've already seen.

I have done auditory therapy in the past (designed to balance Alpha/Beta/WhateverTheThirdOneIs brain waves, and get the two hemispheres of the brain communicating better with eachother) but have experienced little success within this specific modality. In terms of your friend's philosophies... well, I've seen a lot of healers over the past 5 years, and the main thing I've learned is that every great healer (and I mean this in the most literal sense possible, defining a "healer" as someone who brings healing to his patients, regardless of the means) has their own theory on how the body heals, and none of them are wrong. What's important (not to mention mystifying, difficult, frustrating, and often depressing) is finding out what's right for you.

I know no other method to finding what's "right" than trail and error, though I've also learned to listen to my gut when considering a new therapy (or when considering stopping a therapy that doesn't seem to be reaping any more benefits). My most profound leaps in healing have occurred when I've shut my analytical brain down and followed my intuition.


I did check out a few clinics on line and there seems to be a two part process. 1. The assessment and 2 The treatment. The bench mark seems to be that you will need 40 sessions at 50.00 125.00 per session plus a follow up every 3-6 mouths and of course your time and fuel cost to make the office visit.

Starting to run the numbers. It looks like I'll need to make a 1200.00 to 1700.00 investment in equipment, hardware and software and I'm not sure if there are any hidden cost at this time.


I talked to my therapist guy a few months ago about doing the Brain State Tech stuff, and he told me it would cost about $1,000 (give or take $200, though I don't know if he was cutting me a deal since I've seen him for so long beforehand) to do the therapy. The assessment, if I remember correctly, was something like $150, though I like the assessment aspect of this particular therapy. At least with this you're objectively tested and can be told either "this therapy could reap GREAT benefits for you" or "this stuff's not a good fit for you, you should try something else", in which case you're only out a couple hundred instead of a full thousand. That's a bit more comfortable for me than the usual "well... let's see what we can do" leap of faith that comes with traditional therapy.

The guy I know that does this told me that patients usually do ALL of their sessions in a week to a week and a half, as they're more effective the closer they are to one another (since a damaged brain will gravitate towards its established degenerative cycles, you have to keep persistently reminding it of how it's supposed to act before it actually starts doing so on its own).

Why would you need to buy any equipment or software?


Ps How the hypnotherapy session go. Is that helping ? *

I've done hypnotherapy for a while now with varying levels of success. A short while back, I saw this same hypnotist every week for a month or so, and we pretty much tried every therapy in the book. It was interesting... after my sessions I could often feel the plates in my head moving around, and the chronic pain in my body would move this way and that, so the therapy was definitely doing something, that can't be denied.

At that time I was mixing the hypnotherapy with some cranio-sacral therapy, and this therapy cocktail produced a couple of big bangs (leaps) in improvement, but ultimately didn't "slay the beast". I still had my chronic pain, still had depression, still had vision problems, still had all of my other random PCS and PTSD baggage, they were all just lessened significantly. So the work did a lot of good, it just didn't do the whole shebang-a-bang.

We're trying one last therapy before we move our separate ways entirely, called "Cellular Release Therapy", which essentially involves getting the patient into a very relaxed state, then providing the body with commands to clear out all of its memories of pain and trauma on a cellular level. Sounds too simplistic to work, but occasionally people draw absolutely PROFOUND benefits from the work, so I'm taking an "eh, why not?" approach to it. I've been really thirsty since our appointment, and I've had some noticable headaches (not PCS type headaches, like the type of headaches I used to get as a kid at baskeball practice... "normal" headaches). I take both of these as good signs, but we'll see what happens.

If you're thinking of trying it, I'd ease into hypnotherapy carefully. The stuff really dives right into your subconscious mind, so you have to be careful in case there's something really explosive in there. The first time I tried hypnotherapy (well over a year ago now) I had a near nervous breakdown afterwards, so it can be a bit of a dicey proposition. Make sure you're good and stable before you go exploring your instability, you know?

[jeffn]

PCS Mc GeeThanks for the heads up.

[jeffn]

To PCS Mc GeeThanks for the heads up in regards to the Hypnotherapy. You are correct in that a person needs to be in a stable enviroment before they even start this type of inner healing work and that it is very unwise to go playing around in your sub conscious mind alone. You need to create a safe zone before you even start this or you could end up in Lolli Pop land. Your intuition is a key player in this healing process from a TBI/PCS and yes it is very wise to follow it's leading when your dealing with these type of internal emotional injuries.

*I was involved in intercessory prayer for years and you must use a great deal of discernment and caution when your dealing with emotions [Trauma] and a persons sub conscious mind or you could end up in one of those black holes of depression causing more harm then you started with. Like yourself I have experinced that and it's not a good place to go so I'm being very cautious when it come to treatment/healing of the brain.

I learned from my neurpyscologist that the brain will go through it's natural healing process within 2 years and after that point the person will have to start the relearning process creating new channels in the brain to process information.

Neurofeedback seems like part of the solution as the brain waves are rebalanced in the brain you can then start the relearning as it is very difficult to learn or create new neuro transmitters or channels when you are in pain as the pain must be dealt with first. Example try learning something new when you have a migrainheadache.

What I'm seeing is the healing process or treatment is in 3 parts. 1.The brain waves need to be rebalanced in order for the brain to start the relearning process to start2. The pain: chronic fatigue, chronic pain which is the nerve damage, depression, migraine headaches ect need to be healed/treated as they are the symptoms that the brain is sending you as red flages that something in hurt/ injured in the brain3. The cause is the TBI or emotional trauma that the brain is frozen into and this is a natural instinct from the brain to save ones life.

The brain does not know that the treat or danger is no longer present and because the symptom are still present chronic pain and nerve damage ect, the brain is doing what is hard wired to do to survive. Self Preservation.From what little re search I've done on TBI/PCS is that the Trauma will need to be treated and the emotions from the trauma released from the body / mind. This may need to be done in an controlled enviroment and in incremental steps as not to re injure the damage part of the brain.

Going through the learning curve and it's a Big One.

What is cellular release therapy and how does it work?

I had about 10 session of message therapy when I was first injured and this seemed to help but I know that the is still a great deal of nerve damage to the muscle tissue that need to be corrected.

Thanks for your feed back Mc Gee

Jeffn

[Sissy]

PCS McGee, I have not watched the videos yet, but everything you have learned makes sense to me. I am approaching the six month mark of my accident and I was wondering if my brain was somehow preventing me from returning to cycling. I didn't think think the crash itself had left me traumatized and I didn't have any nightmares about it, but did suffer from anxiety for a while and thought it was due to all the circumstances, like the criminal elements involved and then I didn't really get any justice.

But mainly, the first thought that went through my mind as I was thrown onto the car was "am I going to die". Now my next though as I heard the sound of metal scrapping - and this is weird under the circumstances - was
"this is really going to mess up my bike". Now I think this prevented me from thinking about my family, which would have been too overwhelming. Anyway, my injuries weren't that bad and when I tied to move on my concussion symtoms got much worse, therefore there must be some connection with the subconcious mind.

Also, it's weird that you mentioned dog attacks as I was bitten by a huge German Shepherd almost exactly four years prior to this accident while on a bike ride. That time I didn't crash and was back to riding two days later, but did have nightmares about it for a while and am now afraid of large dogs.

[Sissy]

PCS McGee, just another thought, in my opinion some of what you said here seems to go hand in hand with what Barry Willer is doing with the regulated exercise. I guess if athletes can work in a controlled environment and just below their threshhold of returning symtoms then their brains are able to overcome the fear and death threat and self regulate. Does that make sense or am I over-simplyfying?

Also, do you think that because you were out partying and having a good time when you got your concussion your subconscious mind now keeps you for having fun?

[Lucy]

PCS Mcgee and Jeffn - your combined knowledge on all of this amazes me - I am beginniing to feel like the poor relation! I am going to have a sleep before I respond - I managed to trip over a large stone - maybe if I called it a small rock it would sound less silly and went splat on the ground this morning -spared my head though this time - which is a promising sign - was just beginning to feel inspired again too!!!! I look forward to hearing some good news about this - and I might do some saving (joke) and get myself over to Australia to try it at the same place as my QEEG. And PCSMcgee I didn't think that you merely woke up after being unconcious - then stood up perfeclty dressed, hair done, and were perfect - I am blonde but not that blonde ! These jolly icons still won't go where I want them!!! Lynlee

[PCS McGee]

Also, do you think that because you were out partying and having a good time when you got your concussion your subconscious mind now keeps you for having fun?

While I'm perfectly capable of experiencing comfort and contentment in bits and pieces, you're right in saying that I can't have "fun" at this point (at least not the big, loud, obnoxious, crazy fun that I did in the years before my injury... and that's the kind of fun that I prefer :wink: )

I think two things are at play here: As a result of the residue of my fall that still lays over my conscious mind, my personality is generally more flat than it was before this happened. I've gotten a lot of my wit back in the past 10 months, and people always tell me "but you're so smart" when I tell them about what's going on with me, but a piece of my capacity for mayhem and ridiculousness just isn't with me right now. That said, this could be explained just as easily by my ongoing pain and psychological trauma as it could be by any unresolved physical damage that my brain might be holding on to.

In fact, considering my specific symptomatology, I have absolutely no doubt that the psychological component of my problems is the key to getting my life back to the place it was before all of this happened (or at least to the area of lucidity and contentment that I enjoyed before my fall). It wasn't at all apparent until 2 years had passed after my initial fall, but I absolutely have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, it's an irrefutable fact.

Whenever I go out to see my friends, or go to a bar, or even sometimes when I just talk to my friends on the phone, my body loses its connection with its surroundings and all of the pain in my head clenches up like a fist (a lot of other stuff happens that I won't get into, but the key component for understanding my situation is that while the pain in my head is a constant, it becomes activated and amplified by social interaction, going to bars... really, anything that reminds my body of the night I fell). It's just very clear to me that a critical portion of my psyche is still living within April 25, 2003.

More than anything, I believe that this disconnection from the present is what disallows me from having fun (though obviously being triggered by seeing my friends doesn't help). After all, true fun happens when you're living in the moment, and that's exactly what I'm incapable of doing right now.

[Sissy]

PCS McGee, thank you so much for sharing this with us. Sorry, I have never been much of a writer, I find it hard to put my thoughts on paper (to the dismay of my family in Germany). Luckily phone rates to Europe have gone down dramatically, ha. But anyway, I think you are doing us all a great service by posting your experiences and possible therapies and might prevent those of us who are still early in this PCS from longtime suffering.

[Lucy]

Thank you all so much for all of this. I have just had the opportunity to sit and concentrate and read this. Since tripping over that stupid stone last week I have been a "bit out of it" - real nuisance. I would be keen to look at hynotherapy before neurofeed back - however from the sounds of things I would have to be very careful. At the moment I seem to have a fragile balance with coping to work my 3 hours, not giving in to depression etc etc. With my best energy brain time going into maintaining my job it is hard fitting in time to study any thing else. So thank you again, Lynlee

[jeffn]

To all those interested in neurofeedback.

I picked up the book Getting Starts with Neurofeedback by John Demos last night as I had to order this book not on the shelf and I'm in the process of doing my first read. Excellent informational guild for those interested in Neurofeedback and how the brain works.

Quote" What is neurofeedback ? It is a comprehensive system that promotes change at the cellular level of the brain and empowers the client to use his or her mind as a tool for healing. Neurofeedback training combines the principles of complementary medicine with the power of electronics. Neurofeedback is founded on computer technology joined with auxiliary equipment that can measure the metabolic activity of the cerebral cortex."

The book is written for clinicians as a technical study guide so it's kind of heavy but well written and understandable to the layman like myself.

Learning the technical langauge, how the brain works, what parts of the brain are effected with TBI/PCS the assessment process the symptoms and setting up the protocol for re training the effect part of the brain. I have a lot of home work to do and this study is going to take some time.

Having the correct information, the technical langauge, and the understanding of how this therapy works is important. Creating a base line to start from, establishing realistic goals , clinical assessment and knowing how to read your assessment and setting up a treatment and therapy plan to reach your goals.

It looks to me like there is a great deal of home work, study, information gathering and research to be done before you start the therapy/ treatment process. I'm being a turtle here as I'm more interested in long term results then a short term fix that does not work. Starting with the end results in mind.

PCS Mc Gee, you may find this resource book helpful if you decide to try neurofeedback therapy.

Thank you for starting the post I have learned a great deal here from all who have posted. Learning

OK:Back to work I HAVE A BRIAN TO REBUILD Jeffn:)

[davestrand]

Hm, I have not heard any cases of people going into "la la land" after using a Neurofeedback device, but after dealing with headaches and all the other symptoms for over 15 years, it's well worth it to me. Also, I'd rather entrust myself and my girlfriend to do any kind of brain exercise, (she will be helping me connect the device) way more than even the most qualified hypnotherapist. My equipment should be arriving at my house soon, along with my assessment which determines which part of my brain needs work, if any.

I am going to start a in depth online journal to post about my progress, I will put a link in this forum once it is setup and has an entry or two.

Thanks guys, best of luck to everyone.
-Dave

[davestrand]

I am going to document my experience with Neurofeedback so tune in, if you like. Here's the link to my Neurofeedback blog. I posted pictures of my stage one assessment.


http://www.strandland.com/neurofeedback/ (http://www.strandland.com/neurofeedback/)

Thanks,
-Dave

[yannimac]

Excellent blog davestrand! Thanks for putting this together. I am very interested to see if neurofeedback helps. I am still thinking about doing neurofeedback if my symptoms don't completely go away in the next few months. I will probably post something similar if/when I start neurofeedback. I look forward to seeing your results.

[PCS McGee]

I am going to start a in depth online journal to post about my progress, I will put a link in this forum once it is setup and has an entry or two.
-Dave

After reading your bloggage (nice work thus far by the way), I found those exel tests you did pretty interesting... do those applications come along with all of the neurofeedback equipment after you buy it, or is that something that someone such as myself could do just for shits and giggles over the internet?

[davestrand]

After reading your bloggage (nice work thus far by the way), I found those exel tests you did pretty interesting... do those applications come along with all of the neurofeedback equipment after you buy it, or is that something that someone such as myself could do just for shits and giggles over the internet?

Acutally, now that I think about it.. those tests are available for free from the brain-trainer website. Here's a link to where you can download them!

http://www.brain-trainer.com/tlc_assessment/assessment_download.html