Poll on a very moving experience:-)

[reverett123]

Constipation. Everybody has it but nobody wants to talk about it. Except there is this one guy who...oh, never mind:D

But enough of the introductory levity! And stop that self conscious snickering in the back row! This is a serious matter.

A simple question- If mild constipation is defined as less than seven but more than four bowel movements per week (i.e. once every one to two days) and moderate is defined as two to four per week (i.e. once every two to four days) and severe is defined as less than two per week (i.e. more than four days between), then...

Before the age of twenty-one would you rate yourself as having been: mild, moderate, severe, or none of the above (i.e. not constipated)?

I myself must choose moderate. What about yourself? Private replies are welcome.

[Curious]

before the age of 21....i'd say none. never had a problem. i don't have pd, so i called my dad just now and asked him.

same answer for before 21.

any reason as to why you ask if before 21? you realize that some folks...and i WILL NOT name names....that age 21 was more than a few years ago?

i think i constipated my dad just asking him to think back that far. :p

[reverett123]

Let's start this over...

IF YOU HAVE PD.....!!!!!! etc etc

Sheesh....:D

The point of this downright nosey question is that if constipation is present in childhood for PWP, then there is the possibility of toxin absorption being a factor in its origin.

[indigogo]

I think curious' dad has PD ............

I, myself, have always been, and continue to be, a systematically regular pooper ("none of the above").

Speaking of poop, the new Barbie being advertised features a dog that poops along with "potty training" paraphernalia. I'm glad my daughter is long past the Barbie stage .......

Cheers!

[Curious]

yes...my dad has pd. and since there are studies about the children of people with pd...i thought i'd throw in my poop or no poop experience.;)

didn't mean to get you upset reverett....but i have mentioned a few times on this bt2 board about my dad....and the bt1 people know..cuz that is how i found them.

and for the record....just because you have a bowel movement daily doesn't mean that you aren't constipated. you might not be fully voiding or have been constipated in the past and what you are actually voiding is old. so hence even a daily bm can mean you are toxic. you can also be toxic if your liver function is low.

btw.....i am a very educated monkey. i wouldn't have posted without it having some significance...nor called my father.

[paula_w]

ok I thought i answered this somewhere but i'd just love to share again...
i don't remember before age 21, i can remember the doctors saying everyone was different and you should have one, yes one, movement a week when I was growing up.

I guess that gives my age away. I am 56 - and can't quite believe it. Mentally I'm in my 40's and may stay there...anyway background information is to give you as complete an answer as possible...and then don't ask a third time ok? lol

For most of my years after age 21 yes chronic constipation, especially when it became known that the 1X a week should have been 1 a day. I was a teacher and always had constipation, busy running, raising kids, extra curricular, piano competitions, cheerleader mom, and it eventaully became a problem. Started having lower abdomen problems, metamucil, blah blah blah -ended up with Irrit. Bowel syn then. Well, talk about backing up,i got a headache that lasted 4 months, which was very alarmiing because i am not a headache sufferer and still am not.Every test. nothing. No one connected them with Parkinson's including me. and my doctor didn't even think of it when I first mentioned stiffness, and other symptoms. Symptoms began in my 30s.

The point being , there is constipation and same with depression, I hear but I don't think I had it other than normal growing up stuff. I had two children in the 80's, thyroid also quit and early menopause started Seemed like more than one system was defective or shutting down. Toxins and hormones looking equally suspicious. But it was an emotional time as well, mother died, we moved back from Hawaii..became parents, on and on . Another strongly suspected trigger for PD. I had them all I think - the precursors. And if the body is backing up, you just keep getting more toxic. Mosquitos don't bite me and neither do cat fleas......yikes

Was exposed to Heptachlor in Hawaii in the late 70's, early 80's , which is a pesticide that ended up in the milk supply and they had to kill the cows. I think Greg D was there too. Know one other person , a friend, who I don't think has an immune system , had a heart attack young, broke her back recently, growths and cancer scares everywhere. Always sick. Weak bones, always doing poorly and in pain.

Well I could go on with this refreshing topic but wont'.....that should cover it .....did i take thw poll - is this the poll?
paula

[GregD]

Well this is a crappy subject for this early in the morning.
Before 21 I was never constipated. However, most people thought I was full of it.
And yes Paula you are right I was in Hawaii during the Heptachlor incident. I don't belive I was exposed though. Being lactose intolerant, I didn't drink milk at that time and still don't.

GregD

[The Godfather]

This Thread makes interesting reading

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[The Godfather]

Being lactose intolerant, I didn't drink milk at that time and still don't.

GregD

Lactose intolerance is usually due to a lack of NADH, which is what is needed to metabolise lactose.

The formation of L-dopa requires NADH.

For L-dopa to turn in to dopamine requires NADH.

Common cause ?

[GregD]

Not to steal reverett's thread, Thanks for that info Godfather. I will be checking into this.

GregD

[The Godfather]

Back to the purpose of Ricks Thread.

Who's next in the queue ?

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[reverett123]

However, Dr Lieberman says he knows of no data on this. So anything we produce will have some value.

[paula]

Oh sure, leave us hanging here after giving away our secrets in the name of science......copy my info everett i may delete lol. I am no longer constipated tho to end the discussion. Now I 'm just drug toxic - good as bug spray - oh the irony.

paula

[K Hamilton]

but I was constipated as a child, as a teen, as a young adult, and still am at age 59. I've gone from severe down to a low-moderate, though, so I guess that is progress.

Interesting about the NADH connection to lactose intolerance - I've been dealing with that since about age 18.
reverett123 However, Dr Lieberman says he knows of no data on this. So anything we produce will have some value.
Heck, if I could produce anything, I could ignore this thread!

[reverett123]

...about six resposes so far with four negative as best they remember and two firmly positive. Very small sample thus far.

But do you realize this pitiful little poll is the best research yet performed on the subject?? Talk about lame!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

[chasmo]

supposedly 8, 8 fl. oz. glasses of water daily, will keep you regular.....
not me.
I use a prescription called "Miralax" that does it for me. I just can't seem to keep myself hydrated enough. This is a common Parkie problem. You know if you are hydrating enough by the color of your urine. It should be clear or at worst a pale yellow.
Other liquids do not count towards hydration as they take water to digest. Water only can do the trick.


Charlie

[BEMM]

Could not resist that one. What a subject to start with on my first time on BT2. I finally found my way in here.
So, constipation....one of my very VERY early memories is sitting on my little potty in the livingroom - I must have been very young to have been on a potty in the livingroom!!!! And my mother was pacing the floor, telling me I must perform, or she would have to use a little lump of soap, the thought of which absolutely terrified me. I must have performed eventually, for I managed to avoid the soap.
Yes, I think I was born mildly constipated, and have been so all my life. Travel and stress cause complete 'estoppal'.

[pegleg]

From the few posters here, there must not be many PWP's full of . . . poop! lol

For the survey record, I have been plagued with constipation since a child. And now that I take a handful of meds a day, the problem is worse I know how many toxins are absorbed through the intestines, so I work diligently on this by eating foods full of fiber, exercising (especially walking), drink plenty of fluids (aka water), and I also take 2 Fibercon chewable tablets daily. And sometimes there's still no action! lol

Finally, I received this cake recipe in my email today. My jaw dropped when I saw the finished product. It would be a novel idea for a Halloween party, but my guess is it wouldn't be eaten as much as it was viewed! Enjoy!
http://www.kidskuisine.com/?p=27

Peggy

[reverett123]

Though our poll is still small (11), the results are very interesting with over half remembering childhood problems. For a young and active group that is a very high percentage and is an important clue.

One interpretation says that constipation is a result of PD and therefore our PD must have started from Day One.

Another one is that the constipation had another cause and that PD was a result of that cause as well.

And a third says that the constipation had an independent cause but that the constipation itself eventually led to PD.

The third one is my bet and the details follow: Exposure to endotoxins from bacteria in the womb or within the first years of life can have dramatic effects. Among those are a sensitivity to future exposures so a little goes a long way. Another is a slowdown in the action of the GI system. A slowed bowel leads to resorption of toxins due to be eliminated, including endotoxins. These toxins also cause inflammation of the intestinal wall which leads to ?leaky gut" and even greater absorption. That leads to more inflammation and on and on for forty years. Get the picture?

The total effect depends on the first step. At what point in the development of the child exposure occurs determines the effect. As a result we are a mixed bunch of nuts. Some have fast progression and some have slow, etc.

Endotoxins probably aren't all of the picture but they are enough to make us look at what we can do to counter the ongoing inflammation that results. Most of the store bought anti-inflammatories have problems. Even simple aspirin.

There are some potent alternatives available that seem problem free. It's the good old trinity of turmeric/curcumin, ginger, and green tea. It keeps coming back to those. Safe, cheap, effective, and readily available. It doesn't get any better.