apparent death of braintalk 1

[WmM3]

I checked out the braintalk registration through register.com and it shows that the name is registered through 2007 yet no new work has been done to fix this unbelivable collapse. I did read another site from JL that where he spoke of working for a new group and made no reference to the braintalk forums. My understanding of braintalk was that it was a project of JL's but not his main responsiblity. I gleamed this from the 6years I have used the forums

Personally I expected better of board being sponsored out of Havard. It would appear that after JL pulled up tent stakes and went off to a new company either they let it go or it was such a fubar of a techinical collapse they just let it die. as most of us do I remain hopeful that the site will be saved if only to preserve the weath of shared medical advice we put there.

I was mostly on the hydro forum but hadnt be as active recently. I did chose a new name purely because I had some run-ins with identity theft and I am moving to more annonymous names. (not to worry never seemd to come from the braintalk memebers.)

Hope this info is of some help..in the future I will likely be on hydro and chronic pain (Yeah!!--um not).

see you on the boards...and thankyou to the mysterious Doc John.

[moose53]

Just FYI -- the original BrainTalk (OBT) hasn't been hosted by Massachusetts General Hospital in quite awhile.

John Lester took the project away from the hospital and created a non-profit organization to run BrainTalk.

It was sometime later when he took the new position.

Everybody's been wondering what's up with OBT. No one knows. JL was supposed to start re-building the OBT servers on September 5, 2006.

Since John lost his Dad not that long ago and his new company had a serious virus attack recently, I am going on the assumption that John Lester suffers from over-commitment, exhaustion, and burn-out -- until I hear otherwise.

This new place (which is currently working out a new name) is very different, very supportive.

There are archives out there that, hopefully, we will be able to recover some/all of the history on the OBT if it does not come back.

Instead of wondering what's going in the house down the street with the lights out, join the party here http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/i/partytime.gif

Trust me, you'll like it :D

[mrsD]

It sure is confusing about domain names!

I found this on Whois....
WHOIS information for braintalk.org:

[whois.melbourneit.com]

Domain Name.......... braintalk.org
Creation Date........ 2000-05-26
Registration Date.... 2000-05-26
Expiry Date.......... 2007-05-26
Organisation Name.... John Lester
Organisation Address. 302 Shawmut Ave
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Boston
Organisation Address. 02114
Organisation Address. MA
Organisation Address. UNITED STATES

Admin Name........... John Lester
Admin Address........ 302 Shawmut Ave
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Boston
Admin Address........ 02114
Admin Address........ MA
Admin Address........ UNITED STATES
Admin Email.......... john_lester@hms.harvard.edu
Admin Phone.......... +1.7815531727
Admin Fax............ +1.6177262353

Tech Name............ John Lester
Tech Address......... 302 Shawmut Ave
Tech Address.........
Tech Address......... Boston
Tech Address......... 02114
Tech Address......... MA
Tech Address......... UNITED STATES
Tech Email........... john_lester@hms.harvard.edu
Tech Phone........... +1.7815531727
Tech Fax............. +1.6177262353
Name Server.......... rome.netwide.net
Name Server.......... naples.netwide.net

So I am thoroughly confused.

[hannahbanana]

Hi Mrs.D,

What's confusing?

John registered the domain name for braintalk.org in 2000, when he worked for MGH (which is why his email address is listed as the old harvard one).

The domain name needs to be re-registered when it expires in 2007.

Not sure what's confusing.

[hannahbanana]

WmM3,

Why do you think DocJohn is mysterious? He's really been an open book here about his motives to help a bunch of stranded BT users. His picture and his bio are easily available. He even found it amusing when posters photochopped his picture in various hilarious states. :D

He's here a lot to participate. If you're concerned about something, just check out his info he's posted so far or ask him a question... he's been VERY straightforward, honest and forthright in all the discussions, questions, and yes, even the suspicions that have been posted about him. :)

[Lara]

the url www.braintalk.org hasn't worked in a very long time. It redirects to
http://www.d-na.com/serviceinterruption/ and has been doing that for a very long time... more than a few months. There were lots of messages about that earlier in the year. Not sure if they were on FF or Computers and Technology. ZS might recall.

[Lara]

p.s. AFAIK netwide.net went out of business.

[hannahbanana]

the url www.braintalk.org hasn't worked in a very long time. It redirects to
http://www.d-na.com/serviceinterruption/ and has been doing that for a very long time... more than a few months. There were lots of messages about that earlier in the year. Not sure if they were on FF or Computers and Technology. ZS might recall.

Lara, now I remember that! Some explanation was given if I remember, I just can't remember what that explanation was. :o

....ooh, Zombie???? :)

[newbie]

To quote Mark Twain, "The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated"

ditto BT1

[paula]

newbie I think not. without communication it is going to self destruct.

paula

[Curious]

incase you missed it:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j147/ChynaBirdd/bt.jpg

[Curious]

amen

so is chemar bringing the monkey cupcakes for after the funeral?

[reverett123]

Sorry folks, but we have been abandoned in a most reprehensible manner. JL may be having problems but he has been reported posting regularly to his other areas of interest. But he has not given one minute to communicating with us.

Deny it if you must, but we no longer matter to JL. How long would it take to update the status screen even if it said it wasn't coming back? There wasn't even the pitiful screen we did get until I contacted JL's associate and told him I was writing an article for Wired magazine on the tragedy of BT and how it had left thousands of vulnerable people stranded. I was assured that the situation was temporary and that JL would make it right. The status screen went up the next day and since then zilch. I may really write that story. This is no small matter.

If JL is going to pull the equivalent of abandoning his family to run away with a painted floozy, so be it. It's time to accept the fact that, whatever he may have been at one time, he ended the relationship in a most dishonorable manner. And he STILL doesn't give a rat's butt about us. One message would have set things to rights. He couldn't make time even for that.

But there is still one thing he could do to make things tolerable. Turn over the archive, John. Give us our history. If it is trashed, we will fix it. Give it to us and let's simply agree to part. If not, don't expect the issue to go away. There is too much pain and suffering in that archive to just turn our backs on it.

[Tattoo2]

I thought I remembered that it became non-profit status. Since that's the case, it seems someone would have to be in charge of the Non Profit. If JL has cut out, seems like he'd have to put someone else in his place rather than abandon it completely. I guess it depends on the individual. I am very concerned that we may never have access to the wealth of information that is on the site. It is too valuable to let it go this way. Much of it is ours to be able to give to others, but they have to be able to access it. By the way, last time I lookes at the Harvard site, it did list Braintalk as something it offered. If that is the case, either it needs to be removed as it is false or maybe they would offer to find another person to be in charge. Tattoo

[Kamie]

To be honest, JL seems like a nice enough person. However, I told my husband who does this sort of stuff for a living. My husband also said that this was crap and that either JL does not know what he is doing or his story has a lot of holes in it.

Either way, it is looking grim for BT1.

[ZombieSlayer]

The reason www.braintalk.org (http://www.braintalk.org/) doesn't re-direct to the hastypastry site like it's supposed to is because the compnay that Mr. Lester used to register the domain name with went out of business.

As for the current status of BrainTalk...I have no idea.

[monarchbutterfly]

I find it curious (sorry, Curious :D ) that the chat rooms are still running if JL has bailed on BT1...

[hummer]

I remember reading that John Lester would periodically put the information on cd's to free up space......he took the cd's home with him and assured people that that information was in a safe place.....

That kind of weirded me out....because until that point, I don't know why, but I thought I was just writing words that would eventually vanish into the Cosmos...........it made me feel somewhat uncomfortable to realize that someone was saving the emotional trauma I came to this place to get help for.......

I have written on a chalkboard in my home where I can see it readily.....

Things Change

That statement is certainly becoming true for this place....it makes me really sad.....I am one of those people who used that site for the replacement of family and interaction with Human Beings....for help in thinking.....I literally used it to live my Life......

I still can't wrap my heart around the sense of betrayal I felt when I was banned for wishing someone a happy birthday and good luck in her surgery.....I didn't even know the person I was talking about had been banned......I got a e-mail from David H saying that there had been a mistake and that he had reinstated me, but no one had sent me an e-mail telling me that, until days later, when I wrote him, crying my eyes out so to speak.........it never felt the same to me since......

When someone....who ever it is, makes a place like this.....calling out for wounded people in what ever capacity, offering them a place......They have a RESPONSIBILITY to do no harm...That can not be said for John Lester any longer....because for what ever reason........his actions.....or lack of them.......Has caused harm.....to me, and many, many, others........

Maybe that is where I am foolish.....that place became real to me....what an adjustment I had to make when I realized that it could all be taken away in an instant, if I spoke the wrong words.....That is horror...manifested......especially for someone with a brain injury......

I have posted on Doc John's site....but it isn't the same.....no one knows me there......there are caring folk.....but I miss the home I felt for a place and it's inhabitants.........

Blessings on us all..............
Hummer

[mrsD]

http://braintalk.blogs.com/brigadoon/johns_posts/index.html
Project Brigadoon is financially supported by Braintalk Communities Inc. However, we would like to give people who wish to directly contribute to Project Brigadoon the ability to make donations online.

Therefore, we've just added a donation button to the Brigadoon blog (in the left column on this page). This will give people interested in contributing to Brigadoon the ability to donate online using Paypal or a credit card.

I am using BrainTalk Communities Inc. as the organization to receive and process the funds. Since BrainTalk Communities is a non-profit organization, all donations are fully tax deductible, and all donations made through the "donate" button on this Brigadoon blog will be used *exclusively* for Project Brigadoon.

All donations to Project Brigadoon will be used to help pay monthly land rental fees, as well as to potentially purchase more land as the members of Brigadoon grow.

Thank you for your generosity and support. By donating to Project Brigadoon, you will be helping a group of people dealing with Asperger's Syndrome and Autism to become more independent and confident in themselves. Thank you.


This clarifes the speculation as to where the $$ went. I don't recall that
on OBT itself this information was shared in the mission statement.

I have been reading this forum daily to catch up, since I was out of town so long with no computer service (8weeks). So I don't recall which thread discussed the cost of running the forums. It is now clearer to me, where the money donated at the last down, actually went.

[yellow bear]

Also from: http://braintalk.blogs.com/brigadoon/johns_posts/index.html



In 2004, I started a non-profit organization called BrainTalk Communities Inc. The fundamental mission of Braintalk Communities is to foster online communities of self-help support groups, giving patients and caregivers the ability to communicate with each other using a variety of Internet technologies such as web-based bulletin boards, chatrooms, and new virtual-world environments.
---------------

could it be that "new virtual-world environments" are the future of BT1 ???

[ZombieSlayer]

Uhhhhh assumptions mean nothing.

Just because Brigadoon is funded by BrainTalk Communities Inc doesn't mean that the money donated for the last server crash went to Brigadoon.

BrainTalk Communities Inc gets donations from other folks that don't visit the BrainTalk forums at all. Also I'm guessing there is some donations made to Brigadoon from the folks in Second Life.

[mrsD]

BUT..... could this down, be a test of some sort? To increase Brigadoon
enrollment? Just a thought.

There HAS to be a good reason for this situation.:(

and you are correct ZS... but what I am saying is that when any of us donate to BT we should be clearly aware
of the fact that $$ may be going to Brigadoon. It appears that JL decides how much and when the OBT account would be used for the Brigadoon project. When the down in April of 05 happened, people believed the donations
went to the server (no mention of Brigadoon was made). Tax free non profit businesses do not have to file income tax statements, until their yearly income
reaches a certain amount. Until then the monies can be unaccounted for as income. I believe it is still $25,000, but attempts
have been made to increase that amount. It was at this time that the name became Braintalk COMMUNITIES... and I for one did
not understand clearly that community now incorporates Brigadoon.

When NO statements are made, to update those who participate and/or donate to the project OBT, this creates terrible PR and
further future donations go down the tubes. Any administrator who subsists on donations from ANY quarter to stay afloat,
would be providing this information (which obviously is not forthcoming). So I see this failure as a negative incentive
for anyone to continue any support of the BT system, unless they are Brigadoon members.

[stumps]

http://braintalk.blogs.com/brigadoon/johns_posts/index.html


This clarifes the speculation as to where the $$ went. I don't recall that
on OBT itself this information was shared in the mission statement.

I have been reading this forum daily to catch up, since I was out of town so long with no computer service (8weeks). So I don't recall which thread discussed the cost of running the forums. It is now clearer to me, where the money donated at the last down, actually went.

From the same link right at then end..

So here we are. BrainTalk Communities Inc. is funding this project as part of it's core mission to explore online communities that help neurology patients and caregivers, and we have purchased a private island in Second Life

[KTM5665]

From the same link right at then end..

So here we are. BrainTalk Communities Inc. is funding this project as part of it's core mission to explore online communities that help neurology patients and caregivers, and we have purchased a private island in Second Life

the very least they could have done, was purchase us a damm island in the tropics somewhere..some peoples.:D

[mrsD]

and we have to GO to Brigadoon to find that out. It was not clearly
posted on BT if I recall. How many of the 50,000 people supposedly
registered at BT ( I thought it was closer to 40,000) knew this from
visiting the Braintalk forum site?

It is much clearer from the Brigadoon perspective. That is all I am saying.
I don't begrudge Brigadoon its existence, only HOW this was communicated.

People went to BT for its mission statement, to help or receive help of some kind. The actual running/business side was less public by far and remains so.

[dorry]

Just because Brigadoon is funded by BrainTalk Communities Inc doesn't mean that the money donated for the last server crash went to Brigadoon.


ummm. didn't BT go non-profit AFTER the last server crash?

something definitely isn't passing the smell test.

so BT crashes (last year?) bigtime and the donations poor in. JL has other pet projects (SL) and funnels the $ from a non-profit to SL land purchases.

what timeframe in all these changes did JL get a job with Linden Labs (who receives funds from the non-profit) as a paid employee?

Whether JL resurfaces or not, the word sleeze comes to mind.

[mrsD]

I (we in this house) already own 1/6 of two islands...

don't need another!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

[dorry]

the very least they could have done, was purchase us a damm island in the tropics somewhere..some peoples.:D

no kidding!

[mrsD]

it was around Oct 04 that we went non-profit, or maybe just before.

The server crash was 4-05.

[dorry]

it was around Oct 04 that we went non-profit, or maybe just before.

The server crash was 4-05.


thx. I noticed the cafe press shop doesn't mention donations going to virtual worlds

http://www.cafepress.com/braintalk/

Over 200,000 people access Braintalk Communities on a regular basis, and it is the largest resource on the Internet for people seeking support for neurological disorders via online self-help groups.

The fundamental mission of Braintalk Communities is to foster online communities of self-help support groups, giving patients and caregivers the ability to communicate with each other using a variety of Internet technologies such as web-based bulletin boards and chatrooms. These resources are provided free of charge to anyone on the Internet and are available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Patients and caregivers can log on to Braintalk, find other people dealing with similar situations, and share both emotional support and information by posting messages in the web-based bulletin boards or chatrooms. By hosting these online communities, Braintalk Communities allows patients and caregivers to help each other help themselves and allows them to build support networks with people around the world. This is an incredibly powerful method to help people improve their quality of life.

BrainTalk always has and always will be offered as a free and public service, available to anyone around the world in need of compassion and community. Braintalk Communities is owned and managed by BrainTalk Communities Inc., a Massachusetts non-profit corporation operating under the Employer Identification Number 75-3170054 and the DLN number 17053299008044. Grantors and contributors may rely on BrainTalk Communities Inc.'s status as a Public Charity [170(b)(1)(A)(vi)] as described in section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. As such, all donations to BrainTalk Communities Inc. are fully tax deductible. FOR EVERY ITEM PURCHASED ON THIS ONLINE STORE, BRAINTALK COMMUNITIES RECEIVES $5.00. Thank you for your generosity.

Commingling funds without proper disclosure doesn't breed confidence in JL. Most people visiting braintalk had a hard enough time functioning just enough to post. I hardly think they would have sacrificed board functioning for a pet project of JL's, and that's basically what he did.

no $ for offsite backup
no $ for someone to maintain the servers
no $ for a quick plane trip to Boston to fix the problem.
PLENTY of money to keep Brigadoon going and the knowledge he gained from BT donations went to FT employment with Linden.

yep I was born yesterday. Sorry if I sound harsh, but in my mind JL has had more than enough time to fix the problem like the 'stand up guy' everyone makes him out to be.

sleeze stands.

[KTM5665]

He's smart enough to know how to fix this stuff...from the comforts of his own couch. My dh does this stuff for a living, and let me tell ya...his backside doesnt leave my couch too often...most of his stuff is fixed remotley. SELDOM...does he need to travel to fix a server.

sounds like to me...something much more fun came up along the pipeline...

Its really time to move on however...if ya want to have a peaceful resolution and start anew. Forgive, but dont forget so they say. Personally~ I dont give two rat's tails what he's done. I dont think it was "him" who caused alot of the much round here...it was his "support staff".

[hummer]

All this talk of money and where it went and how upsetting that is.....I am more upset about the abondonment of the Human Beings who used this site to help them live in the world.........

The loss of BT as it was.....is to me, about a far bigger loss than $'s.....

I, never donated any monies to Braintalk because there is no squeezing anything extra from my budget.....I live from week to week....sometimes from day to day......

PEOPLE were abandoned.....not just their dollars......if there was any fraud committed.....the Human factor was a much bigger loss than the loss of money........

That of course is just my opinion.......though in a court of law.....it seems cases are more often built around money issues, than about damage to Human Life.......

I googled second life.......they get more people at that site than ever appeared on braintalk...by far......

It all just makes me so sad.........

Blessings to us all.....
Hummer

[dorry]

PEOPLE were abandoned.....not just their dollars

yes, and the lack of consideration for those people is appalling.

[ConsiderThis]

WmM3,

Why do you think DocJohn is mysterious? He's really been an open book here about his motives to help a bunch of stranded BT users. His picture and his bio are easily available. He even found it amusing when posters photochopped his picture in various hilarious states. :D

He's here a lot to participate. If you're concerned about something, just check out his info he's posted so far or ask him a question... he's been VERY straightforward, honest and forthright in all the discussions, questions, and yes, even the suspicions that have been posted about him. :)
... lol, right?

[ConsiderThis]

Sorry folks, but we have been abandoned in a most reprehensible manner. JL may be having problems but he has been reported posting regularly to his other areas of interest. But he has not given one minute to communicating with us.

Deny it if you must, but we no longer matter to JL. How long would it take to update the status screen even if it said it wasn't coming back? There wasn't even the pitiful screen we did get until I contacted JL's associate and told him I was writing an article for Wired magazine on the tragedy of BT and how it had left thousands of vulnerable people stranded. I was assured that the situation was temporary and that JL would make it right. The status screen went up the next day and since then zilch. I may really write that story. This is no small matter.

If JL is going to pull the equivalent of abandoning his family to run away with a painted floozy, so be it. It's time to accept the fact that, whatever he may have been at one time, he ended the relationship in a most dishonorable manner. And he STILL doesn't give a rat's butt about us. One message would have set things to rights. He couldn't make time even for that.

But there is still one thing he could do to make things tolerable. Turn over the archive, John. Give us our history. If it is trashed, we will fix it. Give it to us and let's simply agree to part. If not, don't expect the issue to go away. There is too much pain and suffering in that archive to just turn our backs on it.
There's a guy who wrote a popular book called, "He's Just Not that Into You"

I think it applies here. No excuses on our part ... no painted scenarios of why JL couldn't get in contact...

the fact is that he just wasn't that into the BT members...

[dorry]

dont think it was "him" who caused alot of the much round here...it was his "support staff".


Initially maybe nobody was minding the store. 2+ months later? not a chance.

I have no emotional attachment to braintalk, other than I hate to see ppl victimized. That ticks me off, and I will not hesitate to point out the obvious. To me anyway YMMV ;)

[Curious]

Initially maybe nobody was minding the store. 2+ months later? not a chance.

I have no emotional attachment to braintalk, other than I hate to see ppl victimized. That ticks me off, and I will not hesitate to point out the obvious. To me anyway YMMV ;)

is that like pointing out the fact that a profile ( not a bt1or2..just to clarify) states the number of hours logged in? :rolleyes: i can see why there was no time to fix bt1.

btw...good morning dorry!! :D
<-----hands dorry a breakfast brownie

[ConsiderThis]

I remember reading that John Lester would periodically put the information on cd's to free up space......he took the cd's home with him and assured people that that information was in a safe place.....

That kind of weirded me out....because until that point, I don't know why, but I thought I was just writing words that would eventually vanish into the Cosmos...........it made me feel somewhat uncomfortable to realize that someone was saving the emotional trauma I came to this place to get help for.......

I have written on a chalkboard in my home where I can see it readily.....

Things Change

That statement is certainly becoming true for this place....it makes me really sad.....I am one of those people who used that site for the replacement of family and interaction with Human Beings....for help in thinking.....I literally used it to live my Life......

I still can't wrap my heart around the sense of betrayal I felt when I was banned for wishing someone a happy birthday and good luck in her surgery.....I didn't even know the person I was talking about had been banned......I got a e-mail from David H saying that there had been a mistake and that he had reinstated me, but no one had sent me an e-mail telling me that, until days later, when I wrote him, crying my eyes out so to speak.........it never felt the same to me since......

When someone....who ever it is, makes a place like this.....calling out for wounded people in what ever capacity, offering them a place......They have a RESPONSIBILITY to do no harm...That can not be said for John Lester any longer....because for what ever reason........his actions.....or lack of them.......Has caused harm.....to me, and many, many, others........

Maybe that is where I am foolish.....that place became real to me....what an adjustment I had to make when I realized that it could all be taken away in an instant, if I spoke the wrong words.....That is horror...manifested......especially for someone with a brain injury......

I have posted on Doc John's site....but it isn't the same.....no one knows me there......there are caring folk.....but I miss the home I felt for a place and it's inhabitants.........

Blessings on us all..............
Hummer


(((((((Hummer))))))))

((((((((((Hummer)))))))))))

Thank you for writing that.

Thank you very much.

I experienced the banning, too, and I know others who experienced it. Anyone who looked objectively at the banning would have been able to predict this eventual outcome... because the banning done as it was done showed a total lack of responsibility.

I for one think that BT1 being gone is a blessing. :)

[ConsiderThis]

http://braintalk.blogs.com/brigadoon/johns_posts/index.html


This clarifes the speculation as to where the $$ went. I don't recall that
on OBT itself this information was shared in the mission statement.

I have been reading this forum daily to catch up, since I was out of town so long with no computer service (8weeks). So I don't recall which thread discussed the cost of running the forums. It is now clearer to me, where the money donated at the last down, actually went.

Ah yes, the subterfuge of it all.

[ConsiderThis]

From the same link right at then end..

So here we are. BrainTalk Communities Inc. is funding this project as part of it's core mission to explore online communities that help neurology patients and caregivers, and we have purchased a private island in Second Life

Seriously? or are you joking?

[ConsiderThis]

and we have to GO to Brigadoon to find that out. It was not clearly
posted on BT if I recall. How many of the 50,000 people supposedly
registered at BT ( I thought it was closer to 40,000) knew this from
visiting the Braintalk forum site?

It is much clearer from the Brigadoon perspective. That is all I am saying.
I don't begrudge Brigadoon its existence, only HOW this was communicated.

People went to BT for its mission statement, to help or receive help of some kind. The actual running/business side was less public by far and remains so.

And so many of the people who innocently went there, in need, were hurt by it in serious and severe ways.

[ConsiderThis]

All this talk of money and where it went and how upsetting that is.....I am more upset about the abondonment of the Human Beings who used this site to help them live in the world.........

The loss of BT as it was.....is to me, about a far bigger loss than $'s.....

I, never donated any monies to Braintalk because there is no squeezing anything extra from my budget.....I live from week to week....sometimes from day to day......

PEOPLE were abandoned.....not just their dollars......if there was any fraud committed.....the Human factor was a much bigger loss than the loss of money........

That of course is just my opinion.......though in a court of law.....it seems cases are more often built around money issues, than about damage to Human Life.......

I googled second life.......they get more people at that site than ever appeared on braintalk...by far......

It all just makes me so sad.........

Blessings to us all.....
Hummer


It makes me sad, too.

The thing is, think about how the people who donated money had the power to kick people like you and me who did not have money to donate out.

That's pretty sick.

I don't know how much it costs to run the pbs forum, but they don't put up such lofty ideals, and they don't hurt people the way BT did.

[dorry]

is that like pointing out the fact that a profile ( not a bt1or2..just to clarify) states the number of hours logged in? :rolleyes: i can see why there was no time to fix bt1.

btw...good morning dorry!! :D
<-----hands dorry a breakfast brownie

hiyah curious :D


wink wink only 9 hrs this week ;)

how long does it take to fix a server?

[Bobbi]

Uhhhhh assumptions mean nothing.

Just because Brigadoon is funded by BrainTalk Communities Inc doesn't mean that the money donated for the last server crash went to Brigadoon.

BrainTalk Communities Inc gets donations from other folks that don't visit the BrainTalk forums at all. Also I'm guessing there is some donations made to Brigadoon from the folks in Second Life.

You're right, ZombieS. :). I've set up donation areas in SL (during educational fairs and expos coordinated by other SL members) and transferred the $L raised to JL. (And, $L from items I've made and sold in SL have also been donated.) There are, more likely than not, also SL members who have made direct donations to BT.

[ZombieSlayer]

and we have to GO to Brigadoon to find that out. It was not clearly
posted on BT if I recall. How many of the 50,000 people supposedly
registered at BT ( I thought it was closer to 40,000) knew this from
visiting the Braintalk forum site?

It is much clearer from the Brigadoon perspective. That is all I am saying.
I don't begrudge Brigadoon its existence, only HOW this was communicated.

People went to BT for its mission statement, to help or receive help of some kind. The actual running/business side was less public by far and remains so.

I don't believe it has to be clearly posted at BrainTalk since all donations goto BrainTalk Communities Inc and not BrainTalk forums. I do know there is a private forum at BrainTalk for Brigadoon members. Perhaps donations were sent from those folks specifically for buying the island in Second Life?

Mr. Lester might have over looked mentioning the fact in his donation requests on the forums that money might be used in Brigadoon. We don't know...most likely won't ever know.

[Username]

And so many of the people who innocently went there, in need, were hurt by it in serious and severe ways.

I knew about Brigadoon being connected to BT Communities, and others did too. People stay in their forums and don't generally wander around. If you had, or you had multiple interests, you would have known that when Brigadoon started. Lots of people kenw it. But, what's the point of even saying it here?

Many have their minds made up and it doesn't matter what anyone says anymore, so many aren't saying anything and won't say anything. This will be the difference in moderating. I can see the beginning of the end here in that if you don't agree with the "popular" thoughts or ideas, you will be run off. Maybe politely, but it will still be the same.

Ready, set, go.....................

[Thelma]

I knew about Brigadoon being connected to BT Communities, and others did too. People stay in their forums and don't generally wander around. If you had, or you had multiple interests, you would have known that when Brigadoon started. Lots of people kenw it. But, what's the point of even saying it here?

Many have their minds made up and it doesn't matter what anyone says anymore, so many aren't saying anything and won't say anything. This will be the difference in moderating. I can see the beginning of the end here in that if you don't agree with the "popular" thoughts or ideas, you will be run off. Maybe politely, but it will still be the same.

Ready, set, go.....................


John mentioned his interest in LL long before he bought the island and long before the site became Braintalk Communities Inc.

It was him that told all there about it and invited them to come see what it was.

My question is why are all the negative thoughts being generated here and by me as well being tolerated by the management. A person who only wanted to help John.

Yeah I guess I may as well get in the line up too

ready, set. go..................................whoa can you swim...............waters getting deep

[Curious]

I knew about Brigadoon being connected to BT Communities, and others did too. People stay in their forums and don't generally wander around. If you had, or you had multiple interests, you would have known that when Brigadoon started. Lots of people kenw it. But, what's the point of even saying it here?

Many have their minds made up and it doesn't matter what anyone says anymore, so many aren't saying anything and won't say anything. This will be the difference in moderating. I can see the beginning of the end here in that if you don't agree with the "popular" thoughts or ideas, you will be run off. Maybe politely, but it will still be the same.

Ready, set, go.....................

good grief....

nobody is being run off from here.

we have had political discussions that everyone didn't agree on. so what? so i know where someone stands on liking or not liking bush? no one was run off.

who really cares that some believe certain things about bt1 and others don't? does it matter? will you not offer support or help if that person has a need just because you didn't like the fact that they got upset about the crash? or think the money was used for something else?

there are enough sites set up specificaly to bash bt1. this wasn't set up to do that. yep, we have ALL been allowed very graciusly by docjohn to vent and get our feeling out. take a look at the good that is here. the support, the re-connection of friendships.

i really truely hope you don't feel like you are being run off username.

[ConsiderThis]

I knew about Brigadoon being connected to BT Communities, and others did too. People stay in their forums and don't generally wander around. If you had, or you had multiple interests, you would have known that when Brigadoon started. Lots of people kenw it. But, what's the point of even saying it here?

Many have their minds made up and it doesn't matter what anyone says anymore, so many aren't saying anything and won't say anything. This will be the difference in moderating. I can see the beginning of the end here in that if you don't agree with the "popular" thoughts or ideas, you will be run off. Maybe politely, but it will still be the same.

Ready, set, go.....................
I don't really see that mentality here.

I feel that I've tested the boundaries a bit.

It's clear that I'm not the only one who was hurt. So there's no point in trying to deny that people were hurt.

Not hurting people is really important.

That CareCure forum is totally amazing. (out of Rutgers) You should see the stuff they allow. I think that's a lot more healthy than strong arm mods clearing out anyone who offends a friend of theirs.

[ConsiderThis]

there are enough sites set up specificaly to bash bt1. this wasn't set up to do that. yep, we have ALL been allowed very graciusly by docjohn to vent and get our feeling out. take a look at the good that is here. the support, the re-connection of friendships.

i really truely hope you don't feel like you are being run off username.

WAIT, where are the sites set up specifically to bash BT. Maybe I should go to them to let off the remaining steam... :)

[Username]

good grief....

nobody is being run off from here.

we have had political discussions that everyone didn't agree on. so what? so i know where someone stands on liking or not liking bush? no one was run off.

who really cares that some believe certain things about bt1 and others don't? does it matter? will you not offer support or help if that person has a need just because you didn't like the fact that they got upset about the crash? or think the money was used for something else?

there are enough sites set up specificaly to bash bt1. this wasn't set up to do that. yep, we have ALL been allowed very graciusly by docjohn to vent and get our feeling out. take a look at the good that is here. the support, the re-connection of friendships.

i really truely hope you don't feel like you are being run off username.

I'm not saying that I'm personally being attacked or run off, what I mean is the negativity will keep people from posting. And it will if doesn't stop.

[Chemar]

dear Thelma and Username

it saddens me that you feel "run off" or even that you perceive there is a "popular thought" here that would turn against you:(

In all truth, people DID need to vent.

The crash is something that can happen to any website...but the loooong silences and the inexplicable length of the down time truly have perplexed and saddened me, and I do feel a sense of frustration and, yes, even a bit angry when I think of the BT members and readers who are out there without the lifeline that the BT community was to them.

What I dont agree with is the speculation here about JL's motives and money etc etc.........tho I can understand why folks are potentially disturbed about it. Still, I agree with ZombieSlayer that it is just not good to say things when the facts arent known.

anyways
Thelma and Username and anyone else who is feeling uncomfortable....do remember that the vast majority of people here really do just want to form a community of caring and sharing with some fun thrown in to brighten the day:).......Truly, the negative posts that I have noticed have been very very few thankfully.....

(((HUGS))) to all and I for one do hope that the discussion will maybe now just turn in other directions and away from OBT and JL

Onward and forward :)

[dorry]

Maybe I should go to them to let off the remaining steam... :)


http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8046/lolku9.gif

[ConsiderThis]

(((((((((((Dorry)))))))))))))

:D

[The Crystal Cave]

From the same link right at then end..

So here we are. BrainTalk Communities Inc. is funding this project as part of it's core mission to explore online communities that help neurology patients and caregivers, and we have purchased a private island in Second Life

BUT..... could this down, be a test of some sort? To increase Brigadoon
enrollment? Just a thought.

There HAS to be a good reason for this situation.:(

and you are correct ZS... but what I am saying is that when any of us donate to BT we should be clearly aware of the fact that $$ may be going to Brigadoon. It appears that JL decides how much and when the OBT account would be used for the Brigadoon project. When the down in April of 05 happened, people believed the donations went to the server (no mention of Brigadoon was made)….

Of course Brigadoon wasn’t mentioned. The money went to the server. (If you have a hint of validation for your "it appears" inference, I hope you'll share it with us. I haven't been able to find anything yet.)

http://zero.hastypastry.net/forums/ Donations are accounted for with $3,000 left over for the continued care and feeding of the system. That was a year and a half ago. Methinks the system nibbled more than $3,000 worth in that amount of time. Google ads contributed some revenue, people periodically sent some donations.

mrsd, you posted the Brigadoon description under your post titled "Where OBT donations went." Here’s part of what you pasted from the Brigadoon site and written by John Lester:

"I am using BrainTalk Communities Inc. as the organization to receive and process the funds. Since BrainTalk Communities is a non-profit organization, all donations are fully tax deductible, and all donations made through the "donate" button on this Brigadoon blog will be used *exclusively* for Project Brigadoon."

Since I haven’t been able yet to locate the FAQ from BT1, I can’t know if there is a similar statement there about the exclusive use of donations. BT1 had a "donate" button also. It's not likely since the pages hadn't been updated since hula hoops were in. I'll see if I can find it anyway.

For mrsd and stumps, this is a google link to a cached page of the administrative announcements at BT1. Get past the David H one at the top, if you can. The rest is by John Lester, which gives some introduction to the other places where he’s been working, like Brigadoon. And it clearly states Brigadoon is part of BrainTalk Communities.

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:5CaHqh4mWuAJ:brain.hastypastry.net/forums/announcement.php%3Ff%3D10+%22braintalk%22+%22san+f rancisco%22+moderators&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4&ie=UTF-8

BrainTalk Communities Inc. is the umbrella organization. Brigadoon is one of its entities. BrainTalk forums is one of its entities. Because they are under the same umbrella does NOT in and of itself mean that the forums support Brigadoon, nor does is mean Brigadoon supports the forums. It means they are both members of the same corporation. Contributions are processed by BrainTalk Communities Inc. I'm not an expert in how non-profit monies are handled – it is my understanding that money from one entity cannot be transferred to another. Can anyone help in that area?

I’m let down, disappointed and disrespected (and angry) too BECAUSE OF THE SILENCE. Speculating about where money is, and goes, and went, assumptions that there even is any money, and raising passive-aggressive questions about what John Lester does and did with donations, is just plain irresponsible. Contemptible might work, too. Talk about disrespect!

It does a terrible disservice to a person who is not even here to field questions. This is someone who has failed us for over two months. That is after 13 years of taking care of us. I’m ticked that he isn’t here and hasn’t communicated. But to use that as a seque to undermining the man’s integrity with back-door innuendo is nothing short of disgusting.

[swift]

I only have knowledge of English law - under which any charity has to produce publically available accounts. How does it work in America? (as surely that would stop any speculation/be the productive route for those speculating to go down).

[ConsiderThis]

It does a terrible disservice to a person who is not even here to field questions.
I'm sorry, did I miss something? Is he banned? Is that why he can't come and field questions and defend himself?

[dorry]

I only have knowledge of English law - under which any charity has to produce publically available accounts. How does it work in America? (as surely that would stop any speculation/be the productive route for those speculating to go down).

here you go swift from The Commonwealth of Massachusetts:


http://corp.sec.state.ma.us/corp/corpsearch/CorpSearchSummary.asp?ReadFromDB=True&UpdateAllowed=&FEIN=000878277

no filings other than the non-profit organization on 10/7/04

[monarchbutterfly]

I'm sorry, did I miss something? Is he banned? Is that why he can't come and field questions and defend himself?

The BT version of the childrens book "Where's Waldo",,, "Where's JL"...

(If I was brilliant when it comes to computers - I'd do a cyber version... I can picture it, I just can't build it.)

:p

mb

[Ellie]

The original BT chatroom has been up.

The chatrooms are available, and also have a backup chatroom when the upgrades are being done.

I'd rather not bash someone who has provided me with a free service for so long nor do I think it should be encouraged here.

http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/chat/flashchat.php

There is the chatroom, you can use it with your same username and password. The Moderators can also give small updates upon request.

http://www.thunder65.com/bt_temp_chat/chat/flashchat.php

There is the backup chat for when the site is down for upgrades, your BT username and password work for both.

Most of us hang out in Hooptedoodle and chat throughout the day and night. It is more busy during evening hours.

If you plan to rejoin just to bash the site, stay here - where bashing seems to be encouraged.

Have a pleasant day.

Edit: Some people will just use this so they can spam more, hopefully you get real moderators soon.

[KTM5665]

delightful, I feel so giddy now~

[Curious]

now ktm...you stop that giggling with cupcake in your mouth! :p

i wonder if there is a limit to the number of times the same link can be posted? isn't that like spam or something?

[KTM5665]

now ktm...you stop that giggling with cupcake in your mouth! :p

i wonder if there is a limit to the number of times the same link can be posted? isn't that like spam or something?

spam cupcakes!:p I cant stop giggling. someone laced my chocolate Cake!

[mrsD]

and see this thread is still active.

What I wanted to vent, since I have been away all this time(8 weeks) is that
the communication about this situation is very poor. The last down we
were told that $12,000 were raised...and that is a hefty sum, much of it
coming from people who have medical expenses, and other hardships.
Not explaining the situation as it stands just invites more hurt and feelings of betrayal. The money IS important for this reason. And anyone running a business knows accountability is necessary. People donate time, energy,
expertise, and money sometimes, to help the other members of Braintalk.
There are a great many who use it as a lifeline as well, who NEED it. All of us, there are entitled to some sort of explanation regardless of their own personal situations.

Not everyone can handle chats. Not everyone can handle virtual reality places either due to slow dial-ups or old computers. Since this place has been here
for almost a month, what is to stop someone in the admin of OBT from coming HERE and posting the status? I see that one admin from OBT is registered in our members' list.

And as far as favoritism goes, I have heard that rumor too...and I heard it regarding friendships made in the previous years' chats. But I don't use the chats, the old ones, the inbetween ones and I have only used the flashchat 3 times. I just don't feel comfortable in chats. So I can't go further with that rumor.

Since many here have posted getting the "white screen" and no update, I would think an update could be fixed without too much effort. ( I am getting a white screen myself). At least someone IS reading here, I am sure since there is a member listed. So they know we can't see the updates.

Well, I guess no further purpose is being served on this thread, and I will leav it. (I just wanted to have my say, after reading some of FF). I will wait for the weekend, and see if anything transpires. I still have a shred of hope, a very small one.

[ConsiderThis]

spam cupcakes!:p I cant stop giggling. someone laced my chocolate Cake!


I had this image of the canned meat ... cupcakes...

is that what made you laugh, too?

Years ago when we first moved to Santa Fe, my friend made supper one night, it was spam that she'd prepared with a sort of glaze, like you'd do an Easter ham, and she had whole cloves in it.

After we tasted it we were saying how ... interesting... it was, when she started giggling, I mean really hard, and read us the label... it wasn't the American Spam, she'd gotten a cheap version from somewhere else, and the ingredients were listed as pig snout, pig intestines, ... those are the two that stick in my mind... But there were about a dozen specific things like that listed...

:D

Did you ever see that film, My Life as a Dog? That was her daughter that stared in it as the little girl. And she looked just like her mum. :) (If you want to know what the chef of the spam looked like.) :)

[Doody]

Well, I'm dumbfounded after catching up on this thread. I had no idea about that Brigadoon stuff. If I thought my donations were going to anywhere OTHER than the BT forums as I know them, I wouldn't have bothered.

I need time to let my brain sort this out now for sure.

And Mrs. D., I wholeheartedly agree. I am not a 'chatter' either, not online in a chat room anyway. :rolleyes: I don't like chatrooms. They make me uncomfortable. And yes, they can be very difficult to load. I certainly haven't gone there for updates. I go to my Braintalk bookmark to check for messages. And the last message I saw was 8/24.

[SallyC]

Do you think that JL reads over here and that's why he's giving up and not giving us the curteousy of an update? I am not happier than anyone else about the troubles with BT and I am/was a larger contributer, but should we be speculating like this, while waiting for a kind update from JL?

It's just my observation. I'm not scolding anyone.

[ConsiderThis]

Do you think that JL reads over here and that's why he's giving up and not giving us the curteousy of an update? I am not happier than anyone else about the troubles with BT and I am/was a larger contributer, but should we be speculating like this, while waiting for a kind update from JL?

It's just my observation. I'm not scolding anyone.

... Popular book: He's Just Not that Into You.

It isn't your fault or my fault. He just isn't intested anymore. If he was interested don't you think he'd post something?

Seriously.

People get hurt when they try to be too nice ... to people who don't care.

[Ellie]

Maybe this needs to be pointed out again, until hopefully someone takes better note of it.

When a new member comes here, and reviews the same group of people shoving the same thing in the faces of new members - they will have accepted that this is the 'tone' of the new website, and many will not enjoy such a negative tone.

By constantly being angry, you accomplish nothing. While it is good to let out your feelings, it certainly isn't good for you to continue to do so as it turns into an addiction of sorts.

The old community offered a kind, warm welcome - where here, I felt was an angry 'welcome' or a 'welcome, but only if you agree with us!'.

People joined BT for support, friendship and an outlet for various reasons. The tone that has been set here, isn't offering anything near the feeling I had when I'd first joined OBT. It is nearly the opposite.

The forums just are not up, accept it or get over it. There is no reason to push your anger down someone elses throat, or to make them feel like someone's scraps. It is rude, and simply not a kind way to welcome someone when you are attempting to 'sell' them a copy of the original.

Maybe many don't realize this while they were typing it up, but it certainly does give a negative feeling when many are seeking comfort, myself included. If I wanted to bash someone, or read about bashing someone - I wouldn't go to a Neurology-based website for that, I would search some politics blogs or something.

You can be angry if someone posted a link to the original BT chatroom, but guess what? A lot of us do like to chat, and we enjoy the company of one another and the SUPPORT.

Take that for what you will.

Regards,

Ellie

Edit: PS: Add a sub-forum for Seizure Disorders, they aren't all Epilepsy! :D

[dorry]

... Popular book: [I]

People get hurt when they try to be too nice ... to people who don't care.

lol that's why I treat everyone the same. I don't care who you are, I'll call it as I see it :) By the same token, I appreciate ppl that do the same, whether I agree with them or not.

Sally, we have less than 600 members here and we don't speak for the 10's of thousands of other members that have been left in the lurch. If JL's wittle feelings are hurt because people are "speculating", well he had the opportunity to clear that up and chose not to.

I have no sympathy for a tech that would do that to the disabled who have lost their lifelines. Hell he could have called Best Buy's Geek Squad and been up and running in a day!

[ConsiderThis]

Hi Ellie,
Welcome!

This may not be the best thread to visit first, or even second.

"Apparent Death" could be a clue that this is not a typical support thread...

[ConsiderThis]

lol that's why I treat everyone the same. I don't care who you are, I'll call it as I see it :) By the same token, I appreciate ppl that do the same, whether I agree with them or not.

Sally, we have less than 600 members here and we don't speak for the 10's of thousands of other members that have been left in the lurch. If JL's wittle feelings are hurt because people are "speculating", well he had the opportunity to clear that up and chose not to.

I have no sympathy for a tech that would do that to the disabled who have lost their lifelines. Hell he could have called Best Buy's Geek Squad and been up and running in a day!

I can see them galloping in to the rescue!!!!!!!!!! :D

[dorry]

A lot of us do like to chat, and we enjoy the company of one another and the SUPPORT.

Take that for what you will.

Regards,

Ellie


Understood, but some of the people here are finding support. the issues that are causing pain may not be neuropathic in origin, but they are physically and mentally affected by those issues.

The difference is they are free to discuss them here.

[Ellie]

Hi Ellie,
Welcome!

This may not be the best thread to visit first, or even second.

"Apparent Death" could be a clue that this is not a typical support thread...

It was linked to me, however, I can deal with your sarcasm. I'm a big girl. While my brain may have minor problems, it is pretty quick at picking up on clues. :)

This post was visited first, as explained above - this is what was linked to me via our BT Chatroom.

I could just as easily complain that he has not updated the website, but has done several updates alone on his SL Project - But I do not thrive off of that type of energy, nor do I think anyone should. I personally think that he was in over his head (workload) and simply could not keep up with it. The forums should have been 'handed over' if that were the case. But I will say that his other projects are also great ideas, and I do infact support them.

All I can do, however, is assume - and since assuming is not fact based, I don't feel too safe doing such and sharing all of it.

Regardless, I feel happy for the time I spent on BT and blessed with the friends I have made. I'd rather find the good in the situation than to focus on the negative parts.

Furthermore, you may state this thread should not be visited first or second - I will state this thread should not even exist because it is encouraging negative behavior. Those are my personal opinions, you have expressed yours and I have mine. :)

Thank you for the welcome, it is appreciated and accepted.

[Chemar]

............... he could have called Best Buy's Geek Squad and been up and running in a day!

I wasnt gonna post on this thread anymore cuz it was getting a lil hot for my cupcakes :o .............but I just did the famous splutter my iced tea over my keyboard at that one dorry :D

[Ellie]

Understood, but some of the people here are finding support. the issues that are causing pain may not be neuropathic in origin, but they are physically and mentally affected by those issues.

The difference is they are free to discuss them here.

Also understood, but there is a difference between being permitted to discuss something and being encouraged to agree with something. People can comment or express their feelings without a response such as what has been given. It is almost like there is a clique-type thing.

Having your 'lifeline' cut off is very extreme, and it put a lot of people into a position they should not have to be in. That is noted, and understood by everyone who had to go through it, I have, too.

I can express my frustration without personally attacking someone, be it verbal or not - it is still an attack. I can also express my frustration and be over it, and not need someone to follow it with "That's what happens when someone doesn't care about you". That is a bitter response, and rather hurtful to the ears it falls on.

If people can express what they like, then why was my post followed by some snide remark about spam? I didn't post to promote the BT chatroom, I posted to state people are there and are talking.

There could be 3 of us there, or 30 of us - just because someone is bitter about the BT website doesn't mean we - those using the chat- should feel like we aren't permitted to say so.

It is great people are finding support, that is the reason behind these types of forums. I have moderated several forums with around 20,000 users - and I can speak first hand when I say that these types of things do more harm than good.

I am not defending JL - So don't look at it that way. I am stating that it should simply be a new start, a happy start, if this is where everyone plans to stay. Something positive, something good. Leave the drama at the door, wipe your feet - and make new friends, catch up with old.

I've lived many bitter days, and still have them haunt me now and then, but I know I feel much better when I just brush myself off and move on. You can look down on me if you want for trying to shy away from negative things, but that is how I am and I think I'm an OK person. ;)

[ConsiderThis]

It was linked to me, however, I can deal with your sarcasm. I'm a big girl. While my brain may have minor problems, it is pretty quick at picking up on clues. :)

This post was visited first, as explained above - this is what was linked to me via our BT Chatroom.

I could just as easily complain that he has not updated the website, but has done several updates alone on his SL Project - But I do not thrive off of that type of energy, nor do I think anyone should. I personally think that he was in over his head (workload) and simply could not keep up with it. The forums should have been 'handed over' if that were the case. But I will say that his other projects are also great ideas, and I do infact support them.

All I can do, however, is assume - and since assuming is not fact based, I don't feel too safe doing such and sharing all of it.

Regardless, I feel happy for the time I spent on BT and blessed with the friends I have made. I'd rather find the good in the situation than to focus on the negative parts.

Furthermore, you may state this thread should not be visited first or second - I will state this thread should not even exist because it is encouraging negative behavior. Those are my personal opinions, you have expressed yours and I have mine. :)

Thank you for the welcome, it is appreciated and accepted.

Oh. Ellie I'm sorry. I didn't get that. I thought you came here, chose this forum and thread, then set about putting it down.

I really sincerely apologize.

However, when you say this thread should not even exist I disagree.

The behavior that spurred the posts you apparently don't like is well called into question.

It just is not good to hurt people. I'm sorry if I hurt you. I didn't mean to do that. I genuinely thought you came here, looked around and chose this thread of all the threads on offer. I didn't see your other post. I do apologize for what I wrote to you, since I misunderstood.

[Ellie]

Let's do this.


I'm Ellie! I am 29, I have Trigeminal Neuralgia, Temporal Lobe Epilepsy (Partial Complex Seizures/Absent/Focal) and a non-existant short term memory!

It's nice to meet you! :D

I am also very cuddly, and I like coffee.

[crytears]

Hey all....sure glad I found a link to this site.
I've been gone on vacation.....but after getting home found myself slinking back into depression and fatigue.
I am really sad to learn that there has been not a single update on whats going on with the old BT forum....sad to see its continued to stay down.
Hope it comes back up...or a new one comes back into full swing.
Blessings to all....the old crytears

[dorry]

I didn't realize anyone jumped on you Ellie. Whoever it was should be strung up! Most of us have been hot about it and moved on. When we "discuss" it there's no rage - just conversation. I think when the Sept 5th disks are arriving came and went, suspicions renewed.

Several ppl have come here and told us they didn't think we should discuss it. That created more problems for people because ppl needed to say what was on their heart. We've been down that road before. We try to let everyone have a say, and then things settle down.

Then there's Thelma, who is still trying to pin something nefarious on DJ2 for starting this forum and thinking we're going to give her the boot because of it. LOLOLOLOL. (We love you Thelma I swear!). And clouds z...poor clouds getting raked over the coals for his conspiracy theories, but he takes a licking and keeps on ticking. We love that guy!

The important point is everyone has a voice and between curious, paul w, thelma, Considerthis, jojo etc we won't let any cliques move in here ;) And TC will photoshop the guilty party in a new york minute!

If it appears that there are cliques, then it's ole curious's fault. She keeps bringing goodies and that damn 'wowchicka wow' (shaft 70's musak) disco ball!

Oh the agony of it all


BTW 29? baybee list :) (in an endearing way for us old farts) :D

[ConsiderThis]

Hey, I LOVE coffee!!!!!

Nice to meet you, Ellie!

(Do you know that there is some research that shows that coffee is good for people with type A blood?) I just love that snippet. :D

[ConsiderThis]

Hey all....sure glad I found a link to this site.
I've been gone on vacation.....but after getting home found myself slinking back into depression and fatigue.
I am really sad to learn that there has been not a single update on whats going on with the old BT forum....sad to see its continued to stay down.
Hope it comes back up...or a new one comes back into full swing.
Blessings to all....the old crytears
((((((((((Crytears)))))))))))

I am so happy to see you again. I have thought about you and have missed you.

Don't be sad. ((((((((((Crytears))))))))))

[Ellie]

Speaking of the ole conspiracy!

I turned into a coffee addict when I was putting myself through college. You see, I worked 3rd shift at the Waffle House - their coffee is like crack, but worse probably.

So this went on for 3 years, and I also was seizure free during those years. I had switched back to decaf, and I kid you not - that same day I had a drop-seizure.

I have drank coffee all day since then. I still have seizures (focals, etc - no drops). I decided this past May to go back to decaf and AGAIN, I had another drop seizure. I will never -ever- stop drinking coffee again.

My Neurologist can laugh me out the door, but I will drink my Starbucks until I die. :eek:

[Chemar]

Ellie
I certainly applaud you for not wanting to dwell on the negative! In fact, a number of us have been saying that for some time...that it is time to just move on. But it clearly isnt going to happen yet...for varied reasons!

The most prevalent one is that most BT members are feeling very confused and hurt by the absence of updates in a format that all seeking BT can find...and let's be honest, the vast % of BTers didnt use the chats so arent going to go there. That isnt being negative about the chats....just stating a fact.

The other reason that so many are venting for so long is that there hurt and or anger re BT is related to the way things were changing there, with that oppressive air of heavy moderator action hanging over the place, and lots of the people who are finally having their say here, are people who were banned.

I personally know a whole bunch who got banned (some temporarily, some permanently) for totally ridiculous "infringements" and even the Sanctuary at BT got depleted and discussion dried up because we were becoming too nervous to say anything, with people banned and threads locked or deleted for reasons that to this day I dont understand.

The BrainTalk that I joined back in 2001 sure had changed dramatically:( and IMHO not for the better

yet I stayed, because I really care about the people I met there...even the ones who maybe werent so friendly. It was a unique community and I am heartbroken (no cliche`) at what has happened, and I genuinely am very concerned for the many many people out there who no longer have it as their refuge, or lifeline, or support group, knowledge base...whatever!

I have stated before and I will say it again....I dont wish to get involved in any discussion related to JLs motives or money use or new ventures etc etc
as I know zilch about any of that...........but I can fully understand why it is taking so long for the so called negativity about BT to die down here....the wounds are fresh and raw and very painful:(

I can also understand where those who dont want a bad word said about BT are coming from and I sympathise....but just like it is IMHO not nice for anyone to be telling them to pipe down or go away if you dont like it...similarly it is unrealistic to expect this entire community just to quietly become a positive, dont say a critical word about the other place one....like I said before....there are varied reasons why people are venting and it is a form of catharsis. Some of it is a bit out there, which is a pity, but overall it really is just an expression of hurt and confusion and disappointment at what has happened over the last 2+ months


I do hope the tone will soon change, and that is why some of us have tried to interject silly banter often

Anyway, I started to just want to tell you I share your attitude about not being negative....and here I have written an epistle:o

(((hugs))) to you Ellie :)

[ConsiderThis]

Speaking of the ole conspiracy!

I turned into a coffee addict when I was putting myself through college. You see, I worked 3rd shift at the Waffle House - their coffee is like crack, but worse probably.

So this went on for 3 years, and I also was seizure free during those years. I had switched back to decaf, and I kid you not - that same day I had a drop-seizure.

I have drank coffee all day since then. I still have seizures (focals, etc - no drops). I decided this past May to go back to decaf and AGAIN, I had another drop seizure. I will never -ever- stop drinking coffee again.

My Neurologist can laugh me out the door, but I will drink my Starbucks until I die. :eek:

Wow, that is very ... makes me stop in my tracks and think. About the effect of switching to Decaf for you.

I know that coffee has about the same effect as an asthma in haler. That's good to know, too. When I get a wheezing attack in the early morning I get up, have a lovely cup of coffee, and then it's sweet dreams. :)

I am very happy to meet you!

[dorry]

their coffee is like crack, but worse probably.



oh man I love strong black coffee! My husband will actually drink the MUD in teh bottom of the pot. oh gross.

New medical studies have shown coffee is beneficial and you are living proof. If the dumb docs (sorry DJ!) would just listen, they might further medical research.

[dorry]

Hey all....sure glad I found a link to this site.

Hi crytearszzzz! Nice to meet you.

[Thelma]

Several ppl have come here and told us they didn't think we should discuss it. That created more problems for people because ppl needed to say what was on their heart. We've been down that road before. We try to let everyone have a say, and then things settle down.

Then there's Thelma, who is still trying to pin something nefarious on DJ2 for starting this forum and thinking we're going to give her the boot because of it. LOLOLOLOL. (We love you Thelma I swear!). And clouds z...poor clouds getting raked over the coals for his conspiracy theories, but he takes a licking and keeps on ticking. We love that guy!

The important point is everyone has a voice and between curious, paul w, thelma, Considerthis, jojo etc we won't let any cliques move in here And TC will photoshop the guilty party in a new york minute!


Dorry you have it all wrong.

I don't for one moment think "doc" was doing something nefarious or I would have said so straight out.

I only have a problem in that he said he offered to give John help if he wanted it and I read that myself long before he put this site up. I thought at the time John would maybe take him up on it if he saw it.

But obviously he didn't and "doc" went ahead without talking to him although he lives or works just down the street from him. But that too is okay no problem there. My problem is the site and the use of the words that were applied to Johns's site that he has taken and used here.

He could have chosen all of the sites there were there but the use of the dedicated forums is not a nice thing to have done.

Calling it Braintalk2 is not so bad as he did want to attract all of the members of Braintalk1 over here. I can understand some of what John has done and some of what 'doc' has done as well.

I think if he wanted a site such as the one we all shared at Braintalk then he should start another of his own and build from that otherwise this site will not work as there are thousands who won't come here. John has a loyal following and they will wait for him to return or whatever he is planning.

If "doc" had of put up another temporary site he then could have lept it up and not had all of this speculation going on as to exactly what is happening here and back there.

As for giving me the boot I thought I was being funny there but I guess my funny area is about gone now. I never hear anyone laughing anymore.

I know this site will attrack in the very near future the vultures that preyed on the old site and there will have to be moderators to watch and control them here as well.

But if this site gets to the numbers that the other has it will be a big task for them and him as well.

When there are so many ill and sick people with varying degrees of physical and mental conditions and diseases the use of the written word is very hard to follow. The moderators need to know who they are reading and what their problem is to understand at times.

I only recently have had my first bout of a bad disease that will be my ultimate downfall and already I can see it is effecting me. In my feelings and in my outlook of life in general.

And in particular my understanding of what people can and do do to each other in the name of money, ego, and false self esteem.

I am in a learning period and I miss those who have been there before me to ask questions of. I kow of no one in my position to talk too so the value of having found a site where you can and did find help is not something to be given up lightly.

I am very angry with what John has done and to accept any resoning is going to be very hard for me.

I wish this site well but I also acknowledge the facts as we faced them related to Braintalk.

Working with such an enormous variety of people in their most trying and even intimate times takes on a very challenging position for any human being.

Thelma

[Ellie]

Going to make a new post to further encourage a few things, check it out soon!

[Curious]

hehehe dorry...the disco ball not only lights the way here, but it acts as a warming light for the hazelnut coffee and the brownies!

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j147/ChynaBirdd/disco_ball.gif

[dorry]

I'm sorry Thelma. I was picking on you in a good way, not dissing you. I've sensed that you didn't feel apart of us here because of your views and wanted to let you know that you are appreciated.

Isn't JL on the west coast now with linden labs? I thought that was the problem with why he couldn't physically get back to boston to fix the server. Something like that.

I am SO confused.

[dorry]

hehehe dorry...the disco ball not only lights the way here, but it acts as a warming light for the hazelnut coffee and the brownies!

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j147/ChynaBirdd/disco_ball.gif

I'm going to have to find an 80's wav file to fit your ball :D

[ConsiderThis]

hehehe dorry...the disco ball not only lights the way here, but it acts as a warming light for the hazelnut coffee and the brownies!

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j147/ChynaBirdd/disco_ball.gif

MMMMMMMMMM

I also love the disco light!

[dorry]

here yah go shaft soundtrack snippet!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/clipserve/B000000ZML001001/0/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_001/102-1401183-4896153


http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000000ZML.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

I picture that music and a big afro when I see a disco ball!

[ConsiderThis]

here yah go shaft soundtrack snippet!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/clipserve/B000000ZML001001/0/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_001/102-1401183-4896153


http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000000ZML.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

I picture that music and a big afro when I see a disco ball!
Hmmmm. well, that's not what I think of... let me think about this...

How do you think I'd be able to see if Piaf ever sang in Provincetown in the 60s?

[dorry]

is she a jazz singer?

http://piafedithpiaf.com/pics/piaf.gif

Have you been to the NE coast? I love p-town.

ps - isn't it funny the things that trigger memories?

[ConsiderThis]

is she a jazz singer?

http://piafedithpiaf.com/pics/piaf.gif

Have you been to the NE coast? I love p-town.

ps - isn't it funny the things that trigger memories?

Yes, on all accounts.

I think if I could relax at will that my mind would work this quicky on useful things, like when I'm in court...

It's a bit disconcerting that I remember these tidbits, but really important stuff makes me feel as if my mind is made of concrete...

[dorry]

yeah that is WEIRD! I'd like to have enough concentration to cook and follow a recipe w/o getting overwhelmed some days.

Hubby the frenchman has heard of Piaf ;) I love old jazz! and blues :D

[ConsiderThis]

yeah that is WEIRD! I'd like to have enough concentration to cook and follow a recipe w/o getting overwhelmed some days.

Hubby the frenchman has heard of Piaf ;) I love old jazz! and blues :D

Oh... ask him if he knows is she ever performed in Provincetown... will you?

[ZombieSlayer]

http://www.thunder65.com/bt_temp_chat/chat/flashchat.php

There is the backup chat for when the site is down for upgrades, your BT username and password work for both.

Most of us hang out in Hooptedoodle and chat throughout the day and night. It is more busy during evening hours.


I have to mention that if you use the chats in the quote above you need to register a name and pw. You can not just log on with your BrainTalk name and password.

[dorry]

Oh... ask him if he knows is she ever performed in Provincetown... will you?

hubby the walking encylopedia said he never saw her in person and that she made very few appearances in the US. Part of the resistance during ww2 and very popular with the french and even german soldiers.

he's pretty handy to have around - I think I'll keep him awhile longer :p

[anonymous]

Isn't JL on the west coast now with linden labs? I thought that was the problem with why he couldn't physically get back to boston to fix the server. Something like that.

I am SO confused.

Per JL’s web page http://zero.hastypastry.net/pathfinder/ it states, “In Real Life, I live and work remotely from the Boston area, but frequently travel to San Francisco where the main Linden Lab office is located.” Per this link on his flickr page http://www.flickr.com/photos/pathfinderlinden/sets/72157594248161687/ it appears that he did go to SF (Linden Lab) over the Summer for the Second Life Community Convention (Aug. 18-20).


His schedule over the Summer may be found on his web page http://zero.hastypastry.net/pathfinder/ under “Recent Presentations and Talks” and documented via photos from his flickr page. It appears that he has traveled over the Summer, but most of the trips appear to have been for only a few days each.

[Jaye]

Hi, Ellie, I'm Jaye, and I have had Parkinson's Disease for about ten years and painful degenerative arthritis of my left hip for about five.

I'm one of the old faithfuls of the PD board, but there are new people who don't know me because I haven't been posting much lately. The hip is majorly painful and I don't know how to talk about it. The PD is fatal but the pain's not. However, if I'd listened to the first orthopedic surgeon, I'd still be waiting for surgery and I'd have no information about what's happening to me. I thought we should get on with it because the PD keeps getting worse and I have dystonias (muscles suddenly getting rock-stiff) in that thigh, and I was tired of the rudeness of him and his office staff, so I got a new doc. The second orthopedic surgeon will replace my hip in less than a month from now, and the first thing he said to me was, "Why have you waited this long to take care of this?" "Because doctors don't listen to their patients," I said. He explained that any more waiting and there wouldn't be enough pelvis left to attach the prosthesis to. I guess my other docs just thought I was being whiney about my PD.

And my other doctors have been nagging me to exercise. I've been telling them it's too painful to walk, and they keep telling me to walk anyway. Now maybe they'll believe me.

The point being, if i hadn't been here helping newer people deal with doctors all this time, I don't know if I would have woken up in time to change doctors. I don't think anyone's actually reading my posts through here, though, because they're maybe too intent on bursting out with what they want to say. Or someone reads them and jumps on my case about something and tells me how to feel. Well, it seems like it anyway.

Welcome to whatever this is.

The most important thing I've learned in Braintalk 0, 0.5, 0.75, 1, and 2 is not to tell other people how they should anything--post, talk, feel, act, be. Remove the word "should" when talking about or to others, and you will be much happier and wiser. So you really should do as I say. ;) :D

I like a person who stands up for what they believe in. See you on one of my rare forays into chat some time.

Jaye

[ConsiderThis]

Hi, Ellie, I'm Jaye, and I have had Parkinson's Disease for about ten years and painful degenerative arthritis of my left hip for about five.

I'm one of the old faithfuls of the PD board, but there are new people who don't know me because I haven't been posting much lately. The hip is majorly painful and I don't know how to talk about it. The PD is fatal but the pain's not. However, if I'd listened to the first orthopedic surgeon, I'd still be waiting for surgery and I'd have no information about what's happening to me. I thought we should get on with it because the PD keeps getting worse and I have dystonias (muscles suddenly getting rock-stiff) in that thigh, and I was tired of the rudeness of him and his office staff, so I got a new doc. The second orthopedic surgeon will replace my hip in less than a month from now, and the first thing he said to me was, "Why have you waited this long to take care of this?" "Because doctors don't listen to their patients," I said. He explained that any more waiting and there wouldn't be enough pelvis left to attach the prosthesis to. I guess my other docs just thought I was being whiney about my PD.

And my other doctors have been nagging me to exercise. I've been telling them it's too painful to walk, and they keep telling me to walk anyway. Now maybe they'll believe me.

Jaye
((((((((Jayne))))))))

I'm so glad you are getting the operation, and I'm so sorry you had to wait so long.

I've had so many experiences similar to yours with the first doctor and his office. It is infuriating.

It is so refreshing and hopeful making to read your post and see that you are making progress (in spite of the less than helpful first doc) !!!!! thank you so much for posting!!!!!

[Jaye]

Thank you for responding. Your post brought tears to my eyes.

I used to live in Albuquerque. Moved away almost 20 years ago and I still miss it. We used to take our kids to summer camp outside Santa Fe, place called Camp Stoney.

All the best,
Jaye

[paula_w]

Jaye is a bosom buddy [i watched that recently for the first time in many years - hysterical - who would have thought Tom Hanks would go on to such greatness then, but looking back, he was funny and likable as a man or woman lol.]

Jaye and I can say pretty much anything to each other and have -hahaha. The other night we were talking about our flaws - seems we have a few - lol - Jaye's being that she gets snotty and mine being too direct . We're working on these things. Not saying you were snotty sounding in that post Jaye, just spicing it up and letting you know I was listening ...lol....am i being too direct? oh dear we'll have to keep trying.

I do think we should - oops - let me rephrase that - perhaps someday soon, instead of discussing John,since we are from multiple health forums - could look at some of the clinical trial legislation concerning access to experimental drugs..this is important to all of us. Maybe we could ask for a clinical trial forum. Cliincal trials are what makes or breaks your prognosis and there are a whole lot of improvements needed and possible.

ok enough for now....i see potential in seriously helping each other both on and off the forums. Jaye learned, "again" that you must question your doctors.

But it must be with humor included!!

paula

[Ellie]

Hey guys! My medicine knocked me out last night. I wanted to update.

I feel more clear on everything now, sparing details.

I have access to some very popular websites, and I will be promoting this website. For now, going to major websites and posting braintalk - braintalkhastypastry, etc. will get the page found (Post the first name then include a link here).

I'm bringing a new friend here, too. Give her a warm welcome when she shows up. :D

I sent a PM to the admin, and asked for a few sub-forums, also. I think having some fun stuff (recipes, books, etc.) would be a joy!

[Thelma]

Jaye's being that she gets snotty and mine being too direct

Oh my jeez it is only a few posts and my name will be there as well. Wonder what my title will be lol lol

How are you 2 doing. sorry I had to leave the chat so fast. what was the phone call all about Jaye and why to you Paula.

I got my new name...........confused

Oh by the way will be leaving the site again in a week or two for another go at removing one. I need to think and try and find why it is worth it.

sorry people for getting a little off track here but these are 2 good people who can help you........give you zzzz when you need it but in the long run be there when you need them regardless of what has transpired before

Not many left with these attributes.

[ConsiderThis]

Have you seen this post?

http://forums.braintalk2.org/showthread.php?t=909

[ConsiderThis]

Thank you for responding. Your post brought tears to my eyes.

I used to live in Albuquerque. Moved away almost 20 years ago and I still miss it. We used to take our kids to summer camp outside Santa Fe, place called Camp Stoney.

All the best,
Jaye
((((((((((Jaye)))))))))

Oh my gosh... Camp Stoney -- I know that place. I used to sell real estate and I went in there a few times when I was looking for other things along that road.

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!

(((((((((Jaye))))))))))))

[dorry]

Per JL’s web page http://zero.hastypastry.net/pathfinder/ it states, “In Real Life, I live and work remotely from the Boston area, but frequently travel to San Francisco where the main Linden Lab office is located.”



It appears that he has traveled over the Summer, but most of the trips appear to have been for only a few days each.


thx for the info anony. unfortunately, I'm now more confused why the server wasn't fixed when it was right in town. :eek:

[Ellie]

Dorry, I sent you a private message!:eek:

[paula_w]

Thelma,

I do know what you mean when you say is it worth it....but just do it anyway until you can't or don't haVe to.

Confused? oh I thought being confused was a given for all of us lol.

Wishing you the best and expecting to hear from you when you get back.

best to you,
paula

[*KJ*]

I'm really confused and really hopeful that things get sorted out. I poke around when I can to get a tid-bit of info, but generally find nothing, so I truely understand and comiserate with everyone on their frustrations!

But after reading this entire thread, which BTW held no real information, I found myself asking the same question over & over....can someone simply ask John what the hell is going on? I mean is there no one that can get his ear? Can we go to one of these other projects that he appears to be more interested in and simply get his attention? Can we e-mail him at work, or call him there? Or is there another person that helps him that should be in the know that can give us an update?

I think we have a right to know, is he working on this or have we been abandoned? I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't tell us if he had decided to let OBT die...

Seems like it should be real easy to just ask, versus speculate.

Oh, and trust me, these 'banning' things, of which I only read about here...I know first hand about from other forums...trust me...stuff happens...and I know it hurts when it's directed at you for what seems like no reason...but here's what I've come to believe: not everyone gets along! That's true at school, at work, at the coffee shop, and even in cyber space.

KJ

[Jaye]

I dunno what the call was about. It was days ago and we have PD. How would we remember? LOL We're just friends. Talk fairly often. No explaining, no pretense, and five years after we met in person, somewhat used to each other. We're starting to use the phone more than instant messaging, because one of us can't type worth doo-doo any more, and the other one can't read as well. I forget which.

Be consoled, friend, that there are lots here who "love ya" and many more who actually love you. Come back soon.

Only don't bring any great scientists to introduce. [oh Jaye :eek: you're so BAD].

Peace,
Jaye :D

[dorry]

Dorry, I sent you a private message!:eek:

:D got it

what's with these too short messages!

[dorry]

hi coleysmom. I think many did email and call and were ignored. That was standard procedure from JL for the past year or more, so I don't know the answer, but thought I'd let you know ppl DID try.

[Bobbi]

Some of the posts in this thread are entirely too cryptic. But, that's just my own take. If one has a PM, the recipient will see it while logged in to this site :).

I've interacted with JL - and it was not in indifference toward BT. I don't want to speak for him (nor would I want to present myself of speaking for him in any scope or capacity). I just think a lot of slamming toward him has taken place within threads within this forum and ... Shall he focus on reading/replying here? or working out things on the hardware end for BT?

Ample people have intimated that funds were directed toward this or that without also knowing what he has actually underwritten from his personal finances. It doesn't feel good to read of all the speculation, that is for sure - since it is pure speculation. JL has to pay for living expenses, etc., but... seems hardly anyone cares about that, only that he should not have a job that may take his attention away from thousands demanding this and that. It's just not equitable or fair, I think. He's human. Not perfect. Same goes for me and everyone else.

Every time DocJohn has nicely suggested doing the one-time vent thing related to feelings, it seems: Doesn't work. Thread after thread appears - and the messages are about JL, BT moderators, BT finances, whatever...

I don't think that that is why DocJ. set up this site. I might be mistaken, but... the hatchet cannot possibly be driven in more so than it has been. Maybe it is time to examine how support can be fostered here, since DocJ. was kind enough to open a "home" to us :).

Just my li'l thoughts :).

((( Peace and hugs ))) and if anyone wants to flame away, please address me via PM. (I'm suggesting such so that things can move in a more positive direction.)

[ConsiderThis]

I'm really confused and really hopeful that things get sorted out. I poke around when I can to get a tid-bit of info, but generally find nothing, so I truely understand and comiserate with everyone on their frustrations!

But after reading this entire thread, which BTW held no real information, I found myself asking the same question over & over....can someone simply ask John what the hell is going on? I mean is there no one that can get his ear? Can we go to one of these other projects that he appears to be more interested in and simply get his attention? Can we e-mail him at work, or call him there? Or is there another person that helps him that should be in the know that can give us an update?

I think we have a right to know, is he working on this or have we been abandoned? I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't tell us if he had decided to let OBT die...

Seems like it should be real easy to just ask, versus speculate.

Oh, and trust me, these 'banning' things, of which I only read about here...I know first hand about from other forums...trust me...stuff happens...and I know it hurts when it's directed at you for what seems like no reason...but here's what I've come to believe: not everyone gets along! That's true at school, at work, at the coffee shop, and even in cyber space.

KJ
Hi ColeysMom,
Not everyone gets along... right.

But for a forum to support hurting people who are hurting, it just rubs me the wrong way.

Yes, I was banned.

But what hurt me the most was hearing the pain of my friend who was banned who had constantly posted things about how appreciative she was to JL and how great he was and what a good thing he was doing with BT...

Her offense was beyond my comprehension. I mean I did not get why she was banned. It hurt her so much.

So, am I surprised he did it to you guys, too...

Take a guess.

:D

(My Polish grandpa used to say that bitters were a good tonic. :) )

[artist]

.......Every time DocJohn has nicely suggested doing the one-time vent thing related to feelings, it seems: Doesn't work. Thread after thread appears - and the messages are about JL, BT moderators, BT finances, whatever...

I don't think that that is why DocJ. set up this site. I might be mistaken, but... the hatchet cannot possibly be driven in more so than it has been. Maybe it is time to examine how support can be fostered here, since DocJ. was kind enough to open a "home" to us :)......
It is going to keep happening. Some of us were here from the very start of BT2, and of course vented. Some others arrived later....and vented. The site is growing fast, it's unrealistic to expect new arrivals to go back and read every thread, so they arrive, can't know that we've already hashed it to death...and vent.

So while those of us who have already done the venting can now shut up and get on with other matters, don't be too hard on newcomers who *will* not know how things stand, or that next one to mention it is a monkey's uncle ;).

Perhaps we should have a temporary forum called "BT1 Monkey's Uncle" or something ?

all the best.

[Bobbi]

I hadn't thought of it from the perspective you kindly relayed, Artist. It suddenly makes total sense why some topics seem to resurface. Maybe... possibly, there could be a thread or forum dedicated to the "vents." I dunno. Just a thought, though :).

My best to you and others, as well.

[artist]

I hadn't thought of it from the perspective you kindly relayed, Artist. It suddenly makes total sense why some topics seem to resurface. Maybe... possibly, there could be a thread or forum dedicated to the "vents." I dunno. Just a thought, though :).

My best to you and others, as well.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm thinking, a contained area to mop up the venting that doesn't bleed into other threads. Venters can be gently re-directed to the appropriate place to post the vent...I dunno either, but these periodic attempts to move on won't work, and can't work until a bit more time has gone by. :)

BTW, Bobbi, you've singlehandedly done a remarkable job of shaping up the forums and organising stickies - hats off to you!
all the best

[Bobbi]

You're sweet :).

I know that I hope, as I think you and many others do to, that the "healing" continues and things move in a progressive direction :D.

[HealthForum]

Thinking does BT2 have word filters...LMAO If so place JL/BT1 in it.
Problem solved:D

[Bobbi]

That's cute :cool:. If it does happen, you'll have to change your sig. (slightly) ;).

[HealthForum]

That's cute :cool:. If it does happen, you'll have to change your sig. (slightly) ;).

not a problem for me at all I am tired of hearing about JL and BT1 I viewed this forum for weeks before joining figuring things would calm down. gmail has a huge inbox so instead of others posting and complaining her on a brand new terific forum hit that compose button and send to JL's gmail account

[Bobbi]

Good thinking... I like it! a lot! :cool:.

[dorry]

or that next one to mention it is a monkey's uncle;).



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[dorry]

Thinking does BT2 have word filters...LMAO If so place JL/BT1 in it.
Problem solved:D

LOLOLOL omg that is GREAT!

[HealthForum]

LOLOLOL omg that is GREAT!

Thank You Kindly word filters work wonders

[ConsiderThis]

not a problem for me at all I am tired of hearing about JL and BT1 I viewed this forum for weeks before joining figuring things would calm down. gmail has a huge inbox so instead of others posting and complaining her on a brand new terific forum hit that compose button and send to JL's gmail account
One thing that surprises me, is the few new topics started by people who want to see new ideas and things.

When people come here, they see the topics that come up on the Brain Talk 2 Communities... and what are the threads?

I have tried to post new threads under General, but I haven't done a very good job of naming them.

What surprises me is that there is so much discontent about these few threads, and yet no one is starting other threads to give visitors an idea of the help they can find here.

Puzzling... to say the least.

[ConsiderThis]

LOLOLOL omg that is GREAT!
I don't think censorship to please the few or even the many is a good idea. It's basically underhanded.

Why aren't you starting some topics of the kind you want to see? rather than getting all hot and bothered by the ones you don't like?

[artist]

I don't think censorship to please the few or even the many is a good idea. It's basically underhanded.
Well said, considerthis. Very ugly idea, and short-sighted. Never works, always ends in tears.
all the best.

[dorry]

I took it as a joke :confused: :p

Hey I get irritated at the swear word filters myself, so you know I'm not big on censorship.

And you're right CT, many people ***** about what they see and don't like, yet have little to interject on other subjects. Good catch ;)

Sometimes, I feel that posters like that just follow you around nipping at your heels, and no matter what you say or how you say it, you'll never please them. I usually totally ignore them - problem solved. If they bully someone I'll step in and make note that it wasn't as innocent as portrayed.

For those of us online for years, we've learned how to keep the peace. For others, they are still learning.

[dorry]

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Originally Posted by dorry
LOLOLOL omg that is GREAT!

I don't think censorship to please the few or even the many is a good idea. It's basically underhanded.

Why aren't you starting some topics of the kind you want to see? rather than getting all hot and bothered by the ones you don't like?


:eek: :eek: hahah you couldn't have been talking to me ;)

[Curious]

Sometimes, I feel that posters like that just follow you around nipping at your heels, and no matter what you say or how you say it, you'll never please them. I usually totally ignore them - problem solved. If they bully someone I'll step in and make note that it wasn't as innocent as portrayed.


what can i say....pot stirrers.
i have never figured out why people join a forum, especially a new one, if they don't plan on becomming involved. be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

if people don't like my sense of humor or my refeshments....put me on ignore. :p more treats for those who enjoy them!

[JoJo6]

Willie says to keep up the good work. I say Willie is right. how you doing Monkey? I hope good.:p Jo duh

[ConsiderThis]

:eek: :eek: hahah you couldn't have been talking to me ;)


I completely forgot about this...
I bet this is why SoiChain posted that... to test me on censorship... maybe?

Dorry... it wasn't you... (I'm getting tired.) It was that I don't think censorship is good because while some things seem very clearly in need of censorship, that "very clearly" changes from person to person.

what I think works quite well is just ignoring it... and letting it fade.

I didn't ignore the "crack up" because I was thinking that if I was silent it might seem as if I was "petrified" by it....

Did you ever read, Something Wicked This Way Comes, by Brandbury?

Remember how they finally stopped the dust thing...???? by laughing.

No, I wasn't upset with you Dorry. ((((((((Dorry))))))))

I just was sort of saying what I think...

((((((((Dorry)))))))))