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Unread 01-29-2013, 02:41 PM   #1
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Hi everyone,
This is my first post. I have been reading all the posts about sinus perforation since I have a suspected one (3D imaging tomorrow morning, seeing oral surgeon) with a suspected periapical abscess of old root-canaled 1st molar. It just started being painful this week, although I had referred pain into lower jaw for some time.

If it is abscessing, I want to have it removed and I am sure my oral surgeon will do that with assisted IV tomorrow morning, if necessary. I am worried about the possibility of sinus perforation since salty fluid is coming from near the tooth as far as I can tell, and I am a bit sniffly. I have been on antibiotics (amoxicillin and flagyl) for a week now, but still have swelling.

What should I be looking for? Is it safe to remove the tooth at the oral surgeon's office? Would he put the membrane into the site if he sees a perforation?

Trying to learn as much as I can from reading Bryanna's posts!

Thanks to everyone for providing your stories.

Marcie
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Unread 01-30-2013, 06:47 PM   #2
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Default Extraction done today

I thought I should post an update:

I had a CAT scan done last night (not a 3D dental one, just a traditional 64 slice one used in hospitals) and they didn't see sinus penetration. No evidence of sinusitis on that either which was good. That's the good news.

I saw the oral surgeon and he did another pan x-ray. He saw what he thought was an obvious abscess of the upper 1st molar (which was ROOT CANALED so I'll never have another one of those). I had it extracted this morning, and the oral surgeon said the roots did not extend into the sinus cavity and that he didn't see any obvious perforations of the sinus cavity itself. He cleaned it out very well, according to the dental assistant (She told my sister that - I was kind of out of it still) who confirmed two of the three roots were abscessed.

So no membrane, just stitches, perchlor antibiotic rinse, ibuprofen, T3 as needed and antibiotics: metronidazole, and Amoxicillin/Clavulanic Acid.

I am hoping all goes well. One thing that concerned me, is that my oral surgeon said if it was a bad infection even with an obvious sinus perforation, that he wouldn't put membrane in right away - I was surprised at that. That he would rather be satisfied that the infection dry up since most tears heal on their own through fibrous tissue formation? Wouldn't it be better to have an ENT and oral surgeon together in this case so both could do their part? confused here.

I am following all post surgical instructions and hoping for the best.


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Hi everyone,
This is my first post. I have been reading all the posts about sinus perforation since I have a suspected one (3D imaging tomorrow morning, seeing oral surgeon) with a suspected periapical abscess of old root-canaled 1st molar. It just started being painful this week, although I had referred pain into lower jaw for some time.

If it is abscessing, I want to have it removed and I am sure my oral surgeon will do that with assisted IV tomorrow morning, if necessary. I am worried about the possibility of sinus perforation since salty fluid is coming from near the tooth as far as I can tell, and I am a bit sniffly. I have been on antibiotics (amoxicillin and flagyl) for a week now, but still have swelling.

What should I be looking for? Is it safe to remove the tooth at the oral surgeon's office? Would he put the membrane into the site if he sees a perforation?

Trying to learn as much as I can from reading Bryanna's posts!

Thanks to everyone for providing your stories.

Marcie
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Unread 01-30-2013, 09:36 PM   #3
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Hi Marcie,

Glad you had that tooth out! Root canaled teeth are always infected and once again, your experience tells that story.

Sometimes when there is a sinus perforation and there is a large infection, surgeons will hold off on placing the membrane to see if the perf closes on it's own. Infection and any foreign substance often don't mix real well. So it's probably better to see if the sinus heals on it's own.

I'm sure the surgeon wants to see you post op in a week or two?

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I thought I should post an update:

I had a CAT scan done last night (not a 3D dental one, just a traditional 64 slice one used in hospitals) and they didn't see sinus penetration. No evidence of sinusitis on that either which was good. That's the good news.

I saw the oral surgeon and he did another pan x-ray. He saw what he thought was an obvious abscess of the upper 1st molar (which was ROOT CANALED so I'll never have another one of those). I had it extracted this morning, and the oral surgeon said the roots did not extend into the sinus cavity and that he didn't see any obvious perforations of the sinus cavity itself. He cleaned it out very well, according to the dental assistant (She told my sister that - I was kind of out of it still) who confirmed two of the three roots were abscessed.

So no membrane, just stitches, perchlor antibiotic rinse, ibuprofen, T3 as needed and antibiotics: metronidazole, and Amoxicillin/Clavulanic Acid.

I am hoping all goes well. One thing that concerned me, is that my oral surgeon said if it was a bad infection even with an obvious sinus perforation, that he wouldn't put membrane in right away - I was surprised at that. That he would rather be satisfied that the infection dry up since most tears heal on their own through fibrous tissue formation? Wouldn't it be better to have an ENT and oral surgeon together in this case so both could do their part? confused here.

I am following all post surgical instructions and hoping for the best.
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Unread 01-30-2013, 09:46 PM   #4
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Hi Bryanna,
Thank you for replying!

No, there isn't anything scheduled post op with my surgeon (of course) but I can ask for one. The site is not bleeding but difficult to see and I of course am still in pain.

I am still feeling the salty taste tonight. My nose isn't running.

Would taking sudafed help? Not sure .... just worried really. I was instructed not to r
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Hi Marcie,

Glad you had that tooth out! Root canaled teeth are always infected and once again, your experience tells that story.

Sometimes when there is a sinus perforation and there is a large infection, surgeons will hold off on placing the membrane to see if the perf closes on it's own. Infection and any foreign substance often don't mix real well. So it's probably better to see if the sinus heals on it's own.

I'm sure the surgeon wants to see you post op in a week or two?

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Unread 02-02-2013, 02:27 PM   #5
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Default Miserable and in pain Bryanna please advise

Well this hasn't gone smoothly at all.
Fluid is now sloshing back and forth, through my healing site and into my mouth and causing immense pain in my ears and sinus. Worse than anything I have ever experienced.

Taking sudafed, on antibiotics, not sure what else to do. (Not blowing nose,
I suspect I must have quite a large perforation and am miserable.

Question: do I need a 3D CT scan?
Who would repair this? (Oral surgeon or ENT?)
How long should I wait?

Bryanna, I hope you see this post.
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Unread 02-03-2013, 03:20 PM   #6
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Raye,

Do not wait... see the oral surgeon tomorrow.

If the sinus is open, there is no amount of decongestant that will help. The antibiotic you are on may not be adequate for this either ..... you have to be seen clinically.

In the meantime, rinse with warm salt water 3-4 times during the day to keep the extraction site clean. Do not rinse with any mouthwash... none. You could apply moist heat to that side of your face and sinus... not dry heat, moist only and no ice. Do that every hour or so until you see the surgeon. That will help keep the blood flowing in that area which is what you want to help reduce the pressure from the inflammation (infection?).

Seriously, tomorrow without fail see the os.

Check back with us .... I know this is awful, but you'll be okay.
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Well this hasn't gone smoothly at all.
Fluid is now sloshing back and forth, through my healing site and into my mouth and causing immense pain in my ears and sinus. Worse than anything I have ever experienced.

Taking sudafed, on antibiotics, not sure what else to do. (Not blowing nose,
I suspect I must have quite a large perforation and am miserable.

Question: do I need a 3D CT scan?
Who would repair this? (Oral surgeon or ENT?)
How long should I wait?

Bryanna, I hope you see this post.
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Unread 02-04-2013, 04:12 AM   #7
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The oral surgeon who did the surgery is insisting that it is not a perforation
so upset
2 ER visits for pain that is incredibly intense
fluid coming out of all my upper teeth and bottom jaw
CT showed nothing but it was not a dental CT

I see my dentist tomorrow and the Oral surgery team at dalhousie will see me tomorrow once I see my dentist in the morning.

This has been the worst experience

Raye

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Raye,

Do not wait... see the oral surgeon tomorrow.

If the sinus is open, there is no amount of decongestant that will help. The antibiotic you are on may not be adequate for this either ..... you have to be seen clinically.

In the meantime, rinse with warm salt water 3-4 times during the day to keep the extraction site clean. Do not rinse with any mouthwash... none. You could apply moist heat to that side of your face and sinus... not dry heat, moist only and no ice. Do that every hour or so until you see the surgeon. That will help keep the blood flowing in that area which is what you want to help reduce the pressure from the inflammation (infection?).

Seriously, tomorrow without fail see the os.

Check back with us .... I know this is awful, but you'll be okay.
Bryanna
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Unread 02-04-2013, 09:39 AM   #8
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Raye,

When you say fluid is coming out.... can you describe where it is coming from exactly? What about the color, taste and smell? Are you pressing on these areas to make it come out or is it coming out on it's own? Does it only occur when you put your head down or forward? Does it occur when are sleeping and do you wake up with this fluid in your mouth? Is it also coming out of your nose?

Unfortunately, a regular CT scan may not be helpful. A dental scan shows the different "slices" of the oral and sinus cavity. Why didn't they do a dental scan? What is the oral surgeons diagnosis if not a sinus perforation?

You poor thing :/ I know things are different in India than in the US. You really have to assert yourself and keep trying to get help.

Keep us posted okay...
Bryanna



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The oral surgeon who did the surgery is insisting that it is not a perforation
so upset
2 ER visits for pain that is incredibly intense
fluid coming out of all my upper teeth and bottom jaw
CT showed nothing but it was not a dental CT

I see my dentist tomorrow and the Oral surgery team at dalhousie will see me tomorrow once I see my dentist in the morning.

This has been the worst experience

Raye
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Unread 02-04-2013, 01:53 PM   #9
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Hi Bryanna,
ENT confirmed on CT that I have a tear...3-4 mm as of last night and says my sinuses are not infected...good news. My oral surgeon is such a liar. Do I believe it? i don't know what to believe anymore. The ENT said from last night til this morning it was only 1 mm by viewing it. He did a scope first thing this morning

Anyway, Dalhousie medical team of Oral and Maxillofacial surgery is fixing it .... on Thursday I am booked (was supposed to have it today but blizzard prevented us).

I am not pressing on any areas to make it come out ...it is coming out on its own. It is clear. Not sure about the taste....snotty like. Not coming out of my nose anymore...that stopped.


Just praying that it'll be okay til Thursday. I am still on heat (moist heat which is helping)

It helps just talking to you Bryanna, to be honest.
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Also the extraction site is closed so this is freaking me out
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