MAGNESIUM Information:

[Joe Duffer]

MrsD, what is your take on EXATest http://www.exatest.com/ ?

This testing is favored at afibbers.net forum

[mrsD]

Sounds like a good idea.

There are other labs doing intracellular too.. like Spectracell.

Intracellular is more reflective of how the electrolytes are working, rather than floating around in the serum. Also there is a huge false positive for potassium measurement, that if the cells burst in the specimen, a false high will result. This is pretty common and
often a lab will report -- Lysed cells-- but some do not. A false high can also obscure low potassium, by reading normal.
All these years, and doctors still just do serum potassium testing mostly!

[ditzydame]

i have now the magnesium spray for the last 5 or so days.
have not changed from my local usual dose of magnesium to the doctors best one yet.
want to see what the spray changes......if anything.
i also have some mag cream which i will try later

suppose i should use cream on one foot and hand and spray on the other to test .
i do find the spray a bit pesky in usage so the cream will be my choice longer term as it will be easier to apply if i find the stuff works.

[ditzydame]

so now i cant find the cream

no idea where it is

expensive to re order again from the USA.

is the cream actually better than the oil??

i find the oil inconvenient....and so far cant see any positives.....but maybe it is too soon???????????

close to a week of twice a day use

[mrsD]

Our skin is a barrier to the environment. It is biologically designed to keep the environment out. So I have been leery of aqueous solutions of magnesium applied to the skin.

Somewhere on this thread is a study done on epsom salts that gives some data on absorption, though.

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/post864113-283.html

I've never used 600gm... I use about 240 gm in a bath tub.
Epsom salts are absorbed some from a soak. I've also used a saturated strong solution on a compress (while camping) on my knee and that worked.

But using a carrier cream/transdermal gel would be more effective.
The new Morton's Lotion just available here in US is much better for example than the old CVS Epsom lotion, as far as absorption, goes IMO.

I also think where you apply it is important. I use the lotion where my veins are visible and the skin is thin...so it will get into my body better. (backs of hands, tops of feet, and inner arms are best for me).

[ditzydame]

thanks Mrs d

i ordered some more cream
what is money for but to send overseas !!!!

it had better do something.
as a teen i was the recipient of many baths made from epsom salt or bicarb soda . i used to ride mad/bad/sad horses on loan and get thrown around and dinged up.
my mothers cure was a long soak.
i was usually so sore that such baths were of little use.......but maybe if i hadnt had them i might have been worse

i am having to get the kirkland cream. at least iherb are efficient and reliable

i will keep spraying on to me meanwhile. i can and do make some of my own lotions/cream and all my own and others soap...... and might look at getting some advice as to how i could make my own lotion.
could get help with working out the math (my failing) and then could use some really good base oils in the lotion.

if i can be bothered. one needs to be careful with such creations and i tend to have great ideas nowdays and less action.

Originally Posted by mrsD

Our skin is a barrier to the environment. It is biologically designed to keep the environment out. So I have been leery of aqueous solutions of magnesium applied to the skin..

[mrsD]

There are some posts on this thread about 1/2 way thru from someone who made their own magnesium cream from milk of magnesia! I'd do it with magnesium sulfate, because MOM may not be as easily absorbed.(it is magnesium hydroxide and not very soluble) Magnesium chloride is also another option.

You could see if you have chemists where you are who make transdermal gel products, on RX. ( We in US call them compounding pharmacies.) You could add your own magnesium sulfate and mix it into the special gel.

I bought 4 oz of this transdermal gel for $20... last year when our late Oreo cat was very ill with cancer, and I couldn't pill her. So I made up a tiny bit of her prednisone dose, in this gel (I know how to do some compounding anyway), and we rubbed this into her ear---this is done for hard to pill cats sometimes and it worked for us. I made one dose at a time.. 5mg.

This site is "about" them:
http://www.transderma.com/plo-gel-and-kits-faq.html

Some body building sites offer the bases... this one happens to be a liquid:
http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/n...-8oz-8-oz.html

I can't vouch for the liquid one, and only offer it as something to consider.

I think you could ask your local pharmacist/chemist if they have a base that would be considered transdermal...you could then make up your own. I'd stick with 100mg/gram as a target concentration. The Kirkman cream is 100mg/gram.

This is the new Morton's Epsom lotion.... it is now on Amazon US... and WalMart here. I don't know if it is available where you
are however.

http://www.mortonsalt.com/for-your-h...-epsom-lotion/

[ditzydame]

thanks so much for all that good info Mrs D

there is a compounding chemist in my district .
if the cream i have ordered from iHerb works i will have a talk to them .
i have access to lotion and cream makers who are much more clever than me so if i did make myself i would have great support.
i have, now deceased, family who made the start of a monster fortune as compounding chemists.!!!

wow
the body building site is a revelation LOL


i have a lot to think about. given i have not made my own hand lotion lately i may or may not mess with magnesium . i do make well ahead and i do use germall which i think some of this community might not approve of.
however having learned that there is mould to consider .....i prefer to use a reliable preservative. there is another non paraben around now that i have not bothered to check. i think .

the cat medication is a totally new idea to me and i will pass it on to my sister who has currently assorted old and sick critters and who might need to use such a method eventually.

thanks again for thought provoking info

[Lisa in MN]

Lots of info to read! I confess I did not get through all the pages.

I have been having pains and problems which began the fall of 2010. By the beginning of 2011 primary doc finally sent me to neurologist (for constant headaches). He ordered an MRI (of my head and then my neck too). They found a spot on my cerebellum. Took him and his group a week to call the spot "probable" stroke. I personally disputed it but had no knowledge of what else it could have been.

In my research, I found out that other things can cause spots on the brain including migraines.

Since then I have had pains all over my body. Been to different docs and all they want to do is to categorize it as muscle pain/fibromyalgia. Sometimes I think there was a correlation between my pains and my monthly cycle???

I get pains are on both sides of my neck, up into my jaws by my ears and up into my head....anywhere from the base of my skull to the top of my head. I even have developed lumps on my scalp. I have ringing in my left ear from all this. The pains are also on my shoulders and basically all over my back. I can get pains in my legs, feet, shoulders and arms as well. Nothing is exempt.

These pains are not every day. Some days are better than others. But when the pains are there, I know I'm a bear to live with.

I have no time to be sick. Mommies can't be sick!

So, since all the docs want to say it is muscular pain, what do I have to lose than to try a mag supplement. Oh, yeah, I do have "constipation" so if the mag helps the works get moving on a more regular basis, bring it on!

With all that said I wanted to know if the mag supplement that a friend gave me meets the approval of you, the more seasoned magnesium takers.

The brand is Dynamite. Ingredients:

Magnesium: (As Amino Acid Chelate, Omnimins, Magnesium Glycinate, Magnesium Taurinate) 110 mg

P.M.S. Proprietary Blend: (Omnimins, DL-Methionine) 120 mg

He says to take 3-5 capsules daily. Also, take 2 hours before bed.

That's all for now. I hope it made sense. I typed it while tired but I wanted to get it sent. Gotta get to bed. I'm washed out. Don't you just get sick and tired of being sick and tired. Thanks in advance.

[mrsD]

Is this the product?
https://www.securedcontent.net/dynam...human_04b.html
The labeling for Dynamite, suggests a serving size to get those nutrients would be 4 capsules.

I see it has magnesium oxide in it too... that is certainly going to be laxative.

I think for a start for you, using a good topical would be better.
Morton's now makes an excellent lotion called Epsom lotion...

http://www.mortonsalt.com/for-your-h...-epsom-lotion/

It is only $5.98 now at WalMart in the first aid section.
Rub in a quarter's sized dollop on your neck and hands and wrists.
This will relax muscle tension and also the magnesium will penetrate to some extent providing it to other parts of the body.
This lotion is just excellent, and is a newer version of the old product CVS used to make but discontinued.

Don't over do the magnesium when you start. A little of the lotion goes a long way. (you don't slather this on like cosmetic lotions for dry skin).