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Old 11-24-2009, 12:55 PM   #31
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Hi there.

Keep taking the B-12. I take 5000 each day, and it saved my life and I have virtually no PN Symptoms anywhere. I have arthritis but I've had it for 21 years and they told me I'd have two knee replacements and two hip replacements but so far so good. I don't eat anything that can cause inflammation. I also take Vitamin D 1000 each day, I just might increase that.

sorry to hear about your woes, but you're doing all you can. Here's hoping that someday your health insurance coverage improves sufficiently that you can get the tests you need.

Take care of yourself.

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I had a reply all typed out here and hit preview and thought it posted. lol @ me for screwing that up!

basically I know I have Pernicious Anemia from Ulcerative Colitis and the Pernicious Anemia mimics MS exactly.

Math and odds would suggest I do not have MS.

I really just wanted to ask if b12 at the doses I am taking would reverse and hide MS symptoms? I would assume not.

My symptoms have virtually all vanished except for that two hour window where my nerves go nuts.

I always have a couple of spots that bother me on my left wrist where I get numbness and weird sensations and my calves spasm under the skin and varies in intensity. These are permanent.

I also have one pupil larger than another one only in dim lighting.

I've read about others in here with this as well as symptoms i've not had for Pernicous Anemia. basically all the symptoms you guys have named are the ones I have or have had.

Since I have ulcerative colitis to begin with i do not get all of the nutrients from my food so getting a multivitamin that has Vitamin D3 in it would certainly help.

I lose weight easily but gain it if i eat stuff with high bad fats which i don't want. Waste passes through me too fast from the intestinal disease that I lose vitamin intake.

Anyway thanks everyone.

I look like a jerk worrying about MS to someone who has it i'm sure. I apologize sincerely.

I cannot believe how well you guys triumph over evil in here. I really love the threads i have been reading all over.

You guys are the best!
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Hello all, I hope my experience with B12 deficiency can help others. I will be posting all my details soon. I just recently got my 1st computer. Wished I had one when I was sick. This kind of site is why I wanted one.
hello Cindy, I have Pernicious Anemia, I have had B-12 shots since 1990 I used to get a pill now I get a needle from my nurse every month of 1,000 --- forget the dosage but its a lot-they only go as far as 1,500 per month-I am fatigued 24-7 but I also have MS--so its quite the battle, cant wait to hear more about you Cindy'do write me a reply when u have the chance''
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I hope my experience can help someone. Please feel free to question or respond.
You are not alone. You are not crazy. If you have B12 deficiency and are just starting injections, be patient! IT TAKES TIME! I know you wanted to feel better yesterday or last year. I know you want to eat a regular meal and not suffer. I know you want to wake up and feel strong and alert. I know you want to be pain free. I know you want your eyes to work properly. I know you want to stop feeling like you want to jump out of your skin, or lash out at someone. I know you want to be able to walk without feeling vertigo or stumbling
against the wall. I know you want the depression to go away.
If your B12 level is under 300 and your doctor is not giving you injections, get another doctor! If your doctor wont check your level, get one that will!
A good level is 500 or higher. 300 or lower causes neurophyciatric symptoms! Brain symptoms! If this sounds like you call your doctor tomorrow! Again, you are not alone!
This is what happened to me:
Oct 2003 start Now I know everyone is different,so you may have some or all of these symptoms. Get ready, there are a lot of them. First off was a bloated, full feeling after dinner. Only dinner. That lasted for a while then progressed to every meal along with gastritis. It worsened slowly then added chest pain with it. I then started to get weaker and tired more. I knew this was not normal for me. I am a hard working, fit, 50 year old female. I usually run circles around my teenagers. This slowly progressed until one night in May 2004. I was getting scared about the chest pain and dizziness I was feeling. I went to the ER. I was put on heart monitors and evaluated. I went home with a script for carafate(stomach coater) and blood work. I followed up with regular doctor whose 1st response was "why so many tests?" I explained how I'd been feeling and he gave me a script for antibiotics(UTI), and an acid reducer(Prevacid). I said "what about my chest pain?" He said "The antibiotics should take care of that". WOW! I might be blonde and female, but I'm not stupid! I was back in the ER the next month (June 2004) with the same symptoms, but worse. Doctors thought chest pain was costalcondritis. Still had UTI. No recheck. This round of antibiotics worked on UTI only. Had stress test, results negative.
In March of 2005 still getting worse. Doctor ordered Upper endescope and GI. Results were excessive stomach acid, mild acid reflux and hiatal hernia (small). We did more blood work. Nothing! Still on acid reducers. Gradually other symptoms started to appear. I called doctor more often and made no headway with him. All he did was prescribe muscle relaxers and antidepressents! Ever try amitryptalene? Put me out a couple of days. Doctor usless never heard me when I said I dont want anything thats going to make me feel groggier! Only tried those meds once. Threw the rest out. The only other test Dr. Usless tried was a gallbladder scan. Negative
I was losing weight. Tried to eat something from the 4 food groups to keep strength up. This was my diet for over a year. Boiled chicken, potatoes, carrots, toast and a can of ensure. Anything that digested easily. Earlier I was eating pudding, milkshakes, icecream, soft food. Doctor usless never told me dairy was out with stomach acid problems! I also lost hunger pang feeling. That took a year to come back.
More symptoms: Weakness: all over (especially in arms, legs and hands. Arms felt like wet noodles and hands had slight tremor all the time. Walking: stumbled frequently (no I dont drink) walls are my friend and I still have that problem. If I took a walk (tried twice a day) afterwards my legs would have spasms the whole length. Palpatations under the skin, especially in calf area.
Muscle spasms: in arms and restless legs ( still have restless legs)
Eyes: Stys, not focusing correctly, light sensitive, right pupil enlarged(freaky) and I saw blue flash out of the corner of my eye. Nobody ever explained that one! Checked and no diseases
Light headed: vertigo, just not alert, felt high everyday.
Nauseated: everyday, strong odors like bus, smoke or gasoline made me worse
Cold all the time, not chills, just cold
Bladder: frequency and incontinent also UTI
Weight loss: Went from 5'6 130 lbs to 115lbs, way too skinny
Short term memory: terrible and doctors blow it off
Speaking: hard to get words out and make sense
Skin: sensative, hurt when itching self
Shock feeling: back of neck (scary) felt like cattle prod might feel
Heart: palpatations always at night in bed
Pain: in places I never felt it before. back and neck, burning, stabbing pain Doctor says, your not getting any younger you know. I say its not normal, I know my body!
Muscles: soreness..shoulders, neck and back
Depression: set in slowly..very irratable to family members. Jumpy, edgy and nervous. All totally not me. Have never been prone to depression.
I ended off work on disability. Dr. Usless did nothing more to help me. I kept calling and he finally said when are you going back to work? I said I'm not better! He gave me one week. I had to go because of disability. I lasted one week and was back in ER. They gave me some stomach concoction and another stress test (neg). Dr. Usless said I had him stumped. NO referral NO NOTHING.
OK then. I'm home, very ill, know this doc is a quack, so I need a new course of action. I feel alone, scared and frustrated. I have a job I can't do, a family and house to take care of and all of us are worried. First stop is a stomach specialist. A woman! Dr. Mary listened and tried a few meds. Some masked, but didn't take care of the problem (severe gastritis). My stomach hurt with whatever I ate. It didn't matter if I ate boiled chicken or a hot chicken wing! Same results. I researched and thought I had H-Pylori (stomach bacterial inf.) We tried prev-pac (2 antibiotics and prevacid combo) WOW it worked! Guess what? A month later it was back. Tried it again. It worked for a while and came back again. I think it just helped calm the inflamation going on in there. 3rd try of prev-pac did not work. Dr. Mary would take my chart home and ponder.(at least she was trying) I also tried rhumatologist and endacronologist. All testing neg. I have an aunt on dads side with rhum arth. I decided to try a doc here who I knew did stomach surgery, like gast. bypass. I thought he might have an idea about my problem. He ordered a gallbladder scan. Came back positive. I cried because I thought this was finally the answer. The boiled food diet I was on I was putting through the blender by then. Yuk! I entered surgery with thoughts of pizza, breyers vanilla with peach schnapps drizzled on top and lobster. Within a week of surgery I was way worse. Could not believe it. Dr. Mary suggested I get an MRI on my brain. Called new regular doctor (also a woman) Dr. Michele and she ordered one. My tests came back and showed unspecified areas. She referred me to Dr. Peter a neurologist. OK now i was really scared! Dr Michele was kind of leaning to MS. I have an aunt on dads side with MS. I tried not to freak out until I talked to Dr. Peter. I wanted to be told something. Put a name to all this! I just did not want a death sentance. I have a sweet and caring husband, and 4 kids. My youngest 14. What would happen to all of them without me? Many times I thought the worst. Please God no MS.
My appointment with Dr. Peter was long and exhausting. He tested me and we talked. He assured me that the leisions were not MS (HUGE SIGH OF RELIEF) He also told me he would not abandon me. He would figure this out! He ordered bloodwork. I cried because it was a relief to find a doc that was sincerely concerned. My second visit he ordered a lumbar puncture. I agreed. In the meantime, I'm reading a column in the paper. A doctor question and answer column. It's called Dr. Gott. Someone asked about B12. He gave a few symptoms(research only gives a few also). I showed my husband and he said to call the doc. Dr. Michele ordered it and it came back low. I started injections in 2006. I asked Dr. Peter if we could put off the lumbar puncture. He said yes, but wanted to monitor me along with the shots. This took a lot of patience. I had shots for 6 months before I felt anything! It took almost 2 years to heal along with physcial therapy to get my body going again. I was a mess!
Its a slow comeback, but it is a comeback! I still have stomach upset once in a while. My eyes will never be the same. The pain is my biggest beef. Im back to work and do too much, like the old me. I'm OK with that, and I deal with the pain by keeping busy. No meds, Do not want any. Stomach can not tolerate them anyway.
If I did not see Dr. Gotts article I'd probably be dead. I'm happy I'm alive, and pretty much well. If this is as good as I get, I can deal. I found out after the fact that my Dads Dad had pernicious anemia. Inherited?
My regular Dr. now screens all patients at their physcial for B12 because of me.
I highly recommend the book "Could it be B12" to anyone suffering with this problem. The woman who inspired it lives in my neighborhood.
A few months after starting injections, I tried sublingual B12. My level jumped right up. Try it. I still do both and feel good when my level is 600 or higher.
Again, you are not alone.
Peace, Cindy
Hi Cindy, i had tears in my eyes as i read all your symptoms. Thank you for being so detailed. It's so important for us to share. I feel like my symptoms will never go away. I have been doing 1000 cc's every 4-6 days for about 2 months. I have celiac disease, pernicious anemia, and atrophic gastritis.

I was taking Prevacid for 10 years. No doctor told me to ever keep an eye out on my stomach. The Prevacid only aided in my atrophic gastritis.

My symptoms: dizziness, heart palpitations, numbness, back of the head is numbs, feet numbmess and legs, vision is blurry and i am unstable when i walk.
My symptoms have gotten better. I have had some better days and have been able to eat a little bit more with an appetite. But i still lost 12 lbs. I have stabalized.

I was prescribed Carafate too. I am better than what I was, but anything was better than that. I too went to the ER and under went all the tests. Thank God that Dr. Fayad, was wonderful and immediately got me on b12 injections. But i do see the resistance with B12 testing amongst doctors. I also have a homeopathic doctor who is big into b12 and folic acid. my levels were at 140. I am not sure where i am at now. but i am just trying to listen to my body and when i think i need the b12 shot i take it.

You are not alone-I too want the depression to go away, I want to be myself like I was, strong, active, and zooming about. But it has been so slow to get better. I sometimes feel like I am taking too much b12, but at this point I am taking it and it seems to make me feel better. I am not anything like I was before this b12 crash, not even close. But I am just a little bit better.

Neuropathy, i don't know if it will all come back. I haven' t seen a neurologist yet. My doctors seem to think it will come back. Every thing i read seems to point to a year-to years of recovery.

I have read that the methyl b12 might be better to absorb. I know I don't absorb the b12-i am on a gluten free diet. i am still drinking milk. i hear that you all take the sublingual b12.. i am not sure if that will work for me if i have pernicious anemia and i don't absorb b12. maybe someone could respond.

REmember you are not alone. If your doctor doesn't want to check your b12 levels get another doctor. there are good doctors out there who are big on b12.. find one. i know you can. take control of your health. there is hope. i will keep reporting on how i feel.
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Old 09-09-2010, 09:53 PM   #34
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I had tears when i read your post. thank you so much for you explicit symptoms. you are right we are not alone. i feel the same as you do.

I have been taking 1000cc of b12 every 4-6 days for about 2 months and also have been taking Carafate. AFter my 12 lb weight loss and no desire to eat, I do have an appetite, although not like before.
10 years ago i was diagnosed with acid reflux and was given Prevacid for those 10 years. No Dr. discovered my Celiac Disease, nor did they ever check my b12 count. i am certain these issues were prevelant at this time. however, i managed to get better until about 3 months ago when i completely shut down. My b12 count was 140, i had atrophic gastritis and pernicious anemia and celiac disease. luckily i have 2 very good doctors -Dr. Fayad and Dr. Milne and they put me on b12 injections immediately. But, the one dr. told me to do it weekly for a month then monthly. There was no way i could stay on that regimine of b12. thank god i read many posts and am just listening to my body. i have been able to last 6 days without an injection. so far that's been the longest.

I am going to try the Methyl b12. See if i have a better response. My recovery has been very very slow. When i got the diagnosis i thought the shots would relieve the symptoms. but that is not the case. i am a little better but anything was better than what i was before.
Went to the ER got the heart completely checked -all was good.
My symptoms:
heart palpitations-at night especially
anxious
shoot shocking feeling in my stomach when the phone rings or with loud noises
numbness at the back of my head
numbness at the bottoms of feet, hands, arms, legs
back pains, neck pains, arm pains
wake up at 1am 3am 5am.. hard time sleeping
depression
eyes sensitive
dizziness
walk very slow unbalanced
hard to focus
afraid to drive

These symptoms were so bad before Now i have them but they are less-days are bad and good. i just want my old self back. i want to feel like i did before. I have been cooking cleaning, walking, yoga and swimming, and i drive sometimes. i am retired 67 years old, and am fortunate that i have a good family and i don't have to work.

I just wonder if there is anything else wrong with me.. its hard to believe that b12 deficency is the cause as well as gluten. i am on a gluten free diet, but am drinking milk. i have read that neuropathy takes 6 -12 months to come back.
Has any one come back completely and living their normal lives? I know this is not a death sentance, but some days it sure feels like it.
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Old 01-05-2011, 06:01 PM   #35
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Hi Cindy I am new to this message board. I have been sick for about 7 months and came across your post when searching for causes of my symptoms.
I am a 27 female, prior to getting sick, very active, energetic, healthy person. On June 1, of 2010 I started becoming very dizzy and slight off balance at work. I felt as though I was going to pass out. From there it all went down hill. I went home looked in the mirror and I was very pale with dark circles under m eyes and knew something was wrong.
I woke up the next morning with headaches, stiff neck, light sensitivity. I felt like I had the flu but it was not going away. Numerous visits to the ER, doctors, lots of blood work, MRI of the Brain, CAT scan of the sinus area and ears and mutiple doctors telling me I had anxiety I was about to give up and stop searching.

Some of my continung symptoms include, weight loss (20 lbs from about 135 to about 115) I'm 5'6, severe fatigue, issues digesting food, severe lower adominal pain, night sweats, weakness all over, dizziness, tinnitus, headaches, pale skin, blotchy red skin with itchiess of forearms and front of legs, easy bruising, racing heart, shortness of breadth at times, loss of vision after laying down at times, extremely cold hands, dfficulty concentraiting ( and working at a law firm this is not good), anxiety and depression which is totally uncharacteristic of my personality.

I just wanted to thank you for your post. I am not sure if you still read this or not but it made me feel better about how I have to keep pushing for an answer even though doctors keep pushing anxiety medicine down my throat. I went to a hemotologist today and had a ton of blood work drawn up.
That was when I first heard of being tested for different types of anemia. I also have some type of 24 urine test that I have to do. I was tested for b12 but was told by an otonuerologist that it was okay. I do not know the results of that bloodwork. Is it possible that b12 test could come up normal? but still have pa?

Thank you again and it has really helped me get through these days. It has been a long 7 months and I don't even care what it is I would just like an answer so I can get back to my life.
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Hello all, I hope my experience with B12 deficiency can help others. I will be posting all my details soon. I just recently got my 1st computer. Wished I had one when I was sick. This kind of site is why I wanted one.
Cindy, I also have pernicious anemia. I have to get intradermal injections every month...but lately as I near the end of the month, I start feeling horribly bad. My husband spoke to the doctor as he had endoscopy and she told him that I should come every 3 weeks for the injection....that it's ok and that B12 in your body won't hurt you. My husband is still in denial having pernicious anemia, I have an autoimmune problem. He tells me I think too much about my health when that's not true. I get severe pain on the crown of my head from my spine spasming and it feels like someone is taking a knife and jabbing me. It is hard to concentrate when you are feeling something like that and I've had to deal with that since I had colarbone surgery 12 years ago. The pain on my head started 2 weeks after the surgery but it would come (and would feel traumatic like my brain was frying on a pan) and then go away for months.

Before I was diagnosed with Pernicious Anemia, I could barely hold up my back in the shower. I would start to cry and hunch my back feeling my muscles weak in my spine. I also reflux my bits of food sometimes and burp every second for 1 hour which is exhausting. I get foam coming up and then I'll take 20 mg of pepcid which seems to help get rid of the foam. My daughter told me that I have to watch what I eat.

My husband isn't very supportive and I did go to a pain management doctor who injected my neck with steroid and cortisone but it didn't work. I was thinking my spine is being pulled by my colarbone healing incorrectly, but docs won't do anything about it as they say they wouldn't consider fixing my shoulder. It's slightly leaning forward and I get nerve pain in the front of the arm by the shoulder.

I was told that an autoimmune disease comes with pernicious anemia but docs can't figure what it is as I was tested for rhematoid arthrtis and Myasthenia Gravis and don't have it. I get shooting nerve pains in my legs, in my upper arms, throbbing in my thoracic, throbbing in the back of the skull of the head...it's awful.

I don't know of anyone who has pernicious anemia! I was wondering if they have similar symptoms as I do.

Thanks for listening!
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You can take B12 orally and it will work for pernicious anemia.

You just have to take a large dose of 5mg once a day on an empty stomach. Oral has been shown to work as well as injections. I don't think once a month injections are effective for those really low in B12. You need them more often than that.

Methylcobalamin is the ACTIVE form and available orally. Your injections are most likely cyano form and that is synthetic and may not work well in 100% of the patients using it, because there can be failures in converting it to the active methyl type.

Here is a thread with information and medical links for you to read:
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread85103.html

Methylcobalamin costs pennies a day, and is available online at many discount outlets. I have purchased it at iherb.com and also at Puritan's pride. There is no reason to use cyano anymore with the affordable superior product now available.
The methyl form is not commonly available in stores yet.
Do not buy "timed release" forms.... B12 cannot be absorbed well from those types.
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I know this is an old thread but I have read cindy's story over and over again for comfort and reassurance. I relate to a lot of the symptoms, but not all (of course we are all different). I am having a lot of trouble with a low appetite and being able to eat. I also feel very weak a lot of the time, and I am losing muscle mass. I also get a lot of cognitive impairments, feel like I can't remember something I did five minutes ago, feel like I'm going psychotic or am losing my mind. It's a scary feeling and hard to keep calm when I don't feel like I'm in my right mind, but I read that eventually, if gone on long enough, low B12 can do this to the brain. I just hope that I can heal from it.

I have doctor visits coming up to see if there may be something else going on and also why I have low B12 in the first place. This is very scary. I just hope that nothing else is going on and that from the little I am able to/wanting to eat throughout the day that I am absorbing as much nutrients as possible (had doctor take blood yesterday to run tests on all B vitamins, other vitamins, other blood levels related to B12 potassium, magnesium, iron, MMA, homocysteine, etc. - hoping it all shows as "normal serum levels" so that I can get on with repair and recovery). BTW I am only about two weeks worth of treatment in, from shots (had about 10 I think???) and now going to start/continue with sublingual B12 (finally found a brand I can tolerate - was scary when I was taking some out there that made me feel even worse!!!) and such. I still feel very sick in other ways, though, which scares me/makes me think there is more going on. It also doesn't help that my serotonin is probably devestatingly low as I stopped about 10 years worth use of antidepresseants about 60 days ago and am in the deeps of withdrawal. Can't take ADs anymore, though, as I had an adverse reaction to the last one I was on, so I had to come off, no matter what. Every single day is an immense struggle with all this going on, and it scares the daylights out of me.

Thanks for putting your story up here. I hope that I can recover from all of this with time, and patience, and the help from others.
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