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Unread 02-22-2011, 08:36 PM   #1
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Is it possible for a "mild" head injury to have serious long term effects?

My concussion was over 10 years ago, yet I am still feeling the effects - mostly in the form of bad headaches and extreme mental fatigue. My symptoms get that much worse when I don't get a good enough sleep. For me a "good" sleep is at least 9 1/2 hours without interruption.

This injury has really affected my life. Because of my mental limitations, I work as a security guard; this fact is shocking to people who went to school with me. I have, or at least had, a very high IQ.

I read on Wikipedia that PCS symptoms almost always resolve completely within a year. Why then am I still suffering these effects? I can't even read the newspaper without having to stop what I'm doing.
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Shane,

Welcome to NeuroTalk. You can to the right place for good information.

Yes, a concussion can have lasting symptoms. Wiki is dead wrong but that is common for most of the medical establishment when concussion is the issue.

You ongoing symptoms may be all from your concussion or they may be due to a combination of causes.

You need for sleep may mean you are not sleeping properly. By that I mean, your brain does not get the full cycles of sleep including REM sleep. It is only during REM sleep that true brain rest and rejuvenation occurs.

Tell us about your sleep. Do you have dreams? Are they pleasant or stressful? Do you wake up refreshed, ready to take on the day? Or do you wake up with tired eyes and need caffeine to keep them open?

Have you ever had a neuro-psychological assessment? You might benefit from one to help you understand your symptoms and brain dysfunctions. Then you will be better able to plan your life. High intelligence is rarely severely impacted by concussion. Instead, the person just needs to learn new ways of using that intelligence.

So, tell us more about yourself and your symptoms/struggles and we may be able to give you some help and direction.

My best to you.
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59 years old, retired due to disability, married 34 years, father of three, grandfather of four, Suffered a serious concussion at 10 years old (1965) stopped most driving after concussion at 46 years old (2001), Post Concussion Syndrome/Multiple Concussion/Impact Syndrome with PTSD, immediate/short term visual and auditory memory problems, slowed processing speed, visual/auditory processing difficulties, insomnia, absence seizures, OCD, 14 concussions since first concussion at 8 years old, Taking paroxetine for 14 years and gabapentin for 12 years. Added L-Tryptophan and stopped paroxetine after 3 months of tapering. I currently take 500 mgs of L-Tryptophan AM, 500 mgs noon, and 500 mgs PM.


As of Nov 15th, Due to high stress issues resulting in PTSD, docs put me on 3 meds. Clonazepam but only for 30 days ) .125 mgs twice daily (Doc presc. .25 mgs 2x daily but half a tablet is good) , citalopram (Celexa), an SSRI , and olanzapine (Zyprexa), an atypical anti-psychotic that usually causes weight gain before bed. I lost over 30 pounds since mid July. It just stopped the weight loss. Took me off the gabapentin. I am feeling better than I have in years.

This great feeling only lasted a month. Back to the same old PCS doldrums.

May 2014, I am off the olanzapine due to a 6 fold price increase. Back on 600 mgs of gabapentin before bed.

I am also taking L-Theanine to help with GABA regulation


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Unread 02-24-2011, 06:56 PM   #3
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Shane,

Welcome to NeuroTalk. You can to the right place for good information.
Thanks Mark - it's good to be here.

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Yes, a concussion can have lasting symptoms. Wiki is dead wrong but that is common for most of the medical establishment when concussion is the issue.
OK, thanks. Here is something else I just read on Wikipedia: "Even a mild injury can sometimes result in a serious disability that will interfere with a person’s daily functioning and personal activities for the rest of their life."

and

"Even a mild incident can have long term effects or cause symptoms to appear years later."

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You ongoing symptoms may be all from your concussion or they may be due to a combination of causes.
I (and my doctors) have ruled out just about everything else. My blood work was normal and I do not have a thyroid problem or sleep disorder. Aside from the "head symptoms", I am quite healthy.

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You need for sleep may mean you are not sleeping properly. By that I mean, your brain does not get the full cycles of sleep including REM sleep. It is only during REM sleep that true brain rest and rejuvenation occurs.
This was an angle my doctor and I considered. In fact, I was even prescribed a low dose of an antidepressant for its sleep-aiding qualities. It turns out that no matter the duration and quality of my sleep, my problems remain.

From Wikipedia:

"Mental fatigue is a common debilitating experience and may not be linked by the patient to the original (minor) incident. Narcolepsy and sleep disorders are common misdiagnoses."

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Tell us about your sleep. Do you have dreams? Are they pleasant or stressful? Do you wake up refreshed, ready to take on the day? Or do you wake up with tired eyes and need caffeine to keep them open?
Objectively speaking, my sleep is fine. I dream plenty, and I would say the majority of my dreams are neutral or pleasant. However, I wake up feeling lousy and that feeling doesn't really fade as the day progresses.

Btw, I don't drink caffeine because I heard it's not good for people like us.

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Have you ever had a neuro-psychological assessment? You might benefit from one to help you understand your symptoms and brain dysfunctions. Then you will be better able to plan your life. High intelligence is rarely severely impacted by concussion. Instead, the person just needs to learn new ways of using that intelligence.
I would see a neuropsychologist if I thought it would be worth it. But based on the phone consultation I had, there is not much that can be done about the mental fatigue which is my single biggest problem.

In recent years I've come to acquire much more insight into the subtleties of my condition. Experience has taught me just what my abilities and limitations are.

Thanks again...
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Shane,

Have you ever heard of the Ketogenic diet? It is designed to increase the availability of ketones to the brain. The brain usually uses blood glucose to function. Some people's brains do not utilize glucose well. For them, ketones can make a difference.

Ketones are the energy component given off by the liver when it has exhausted its supply of glucogen. Some people with Alzheimer's and other dementias respond to ketones. MCT oil (Medium Chain Triglycerides) is one way to increase ketone availability.

Google 'ketones' and 'coconut oil' and you will find some interesting information.

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59 years old, retired due to disability, married 34 years, father of three, grandfather of four, Suffered a serious concussion at 10 years old (1965) stopped most driving after concussion at 46 years old (2001), Post Concussion Syndrome/Multiple Concussion/Impact Syndrome with PTSD, immediate/short term visual and auditory memory problems, slowed processing speed, visual/auditory processing difficulties, insomnia, absence seizures, OCD, 14 concussions since first concussion at 8 years old, Taking paroxetine for 14 years and gabapentin for 12 years. Added L-Tryptophan and stopped paroxetine after 3 months of tapering. I currently take 500 mgs of L-Tryptophan AM, 500 mgs noon, and 500 mgs PM.


As of Nov 15th, Due to high stress issues resulting in PTSD, docs put me on 3 meds. Clonazepam but only for 30 days ) .125 mgs twice daily (Doc presc. .25 mgs 2x daily but half a tablet is good) , citalopram (Celexa), an SSRI , and olanzapine (Zyprexa), an atypical anti-psychotic that usually causes weight gain before bed. I lost over 30 pounds since mid July. It just stopped the weight loss. Took me off the gabapentin. I am feeling better than I have in years.

This great feeling only lasted a month. Back to the same old PCS doldrums.

May 2014, I am off the olanzapine due to a 6 fold price increase. Back on 600 mgs of gabapentin before bed.

I am also taking L-Theanine to help with GABA regulation


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Unread 03-02-2012, 10:19 AM   #5
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Is it possible for a "mild" head injury to have serious long term effects?

My concussion was over 10 years ago, yet I am still feeling the effects - mostly in the form of bad headaches and extreme mental fatigue. My symptoms get that much worse when I don't get a good enough sleep. For me a "good" sleep is at least 9 1/2 hours without interruption.

This injury has really affected my life. Because of my mental limitations, I work as a security guard; this fact is shocking to people who went to school with me. I have, or at least had, a very high IQ.

I read on Wikipedia that PCS symptoms almost always resolve completely within a year. Why then am I still suffering these effects? I can't even read the newspaper without having to stop what I'm doing.
hi shane. i am mike. although this site doesn't get much activity, i can appreciate how u feel. i hope my situation helps u to understand your situation and also i hope it has improved in the past 13 months.
i played jr, hs and college football from about '88 - '96. also my first concussion occured at a young age when i fell out of my dad's van and again playing basketball (i don't even remeber how old i was then). in those 2 cases i believe i lost consiousness briefly although others have said the basketball accident was along time. the majority of my fooball head injuries where minor but they were very frequent and ended my playing daysmy senior yr in college. i was voted recipient of the C. Dale wolfe Award for most inpirational player, by my teemates. i suffered w/ tunnelvision , feelings that i can only describe as like i was made of concrete, and minor brain seizures for well over 6 months and had a hard time completing my senior year. 16 yrs later.. i still occasionally get these symptoms & if i shake my head to hard i get symptoms galore. just the otherday i hit a pothole driving the forklift at work and immediatly became dizzy, dissoriented w/ blurry vison and that RINGING in my head - so bad it has been making me crazy for 2 days now. i typically bcome very short temperd and nasty and somewhat lethargic, or some may say depressed. just a side note. i attended a pretty good school and also have a very high IQ of near genious ranking, so i can aslo relate to your job issue as i always said i was a perpetual underachiever, typically working in retail or manual labor. my memory is deteriorating rapidly these days and i am begining to think i need to see a neurologist. i hope something i said might help.
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inspirational player,

Welcome to NeuroTalk. Sorry to hear of your struggles.

Your symptoms sound like Multiple Impact Syndrome combined with a lifetime of sub-concussive impacts. I can understand the pothole on the forklift incident. I have similar problems.

There is not much you can do at this stage except for feeding your brain the right stuff so it can work at its optimum level. You did not mention whether anybody ever got you started on a brain healthy diet.

You can do you brain a good favor by supplementing your diet with B-12 (500 to 1000mcgs), A B-50 or B-100 complex, D3, Omega 3's, a potent multi-vitamin like GNC Mega Men or equivalent, all of the anti-oxidants, some meat protein (pork is best) to get BCAA's. .

Limit caffeine and alcohol to one serving per day max.

You return of symptoms may be caused by a combination of events. First, you recent bumps and jarring of your brain. Second, your age. As one approaches 40 years old, the brain becomes less tolerant of past injuries.

I doubt a neuro will do much for you. Better to learn to take care of your brain so it can function better.

This nutritional regimen will take a few months to start to notice a difference as the brain needs to flush out the toxins built up in the tissues after so many injuries.

Hope this helps.

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59 years old, retired due to disability, married 34 years, father of three, grandfather of four, Suffered a serious concussion at 10 years old (1965) stopped most driving after concussion at 46 years old (2001), Post Concussion Syndrome/Multiple Concussion/Impact Syndrome with PTSD, immediate/short term visual and auditory memory problems, slowed processing speed, visual/auditory processing difficulties, insomnia, absence seizures, OCD, 14 concussions since first concussion at 8 years old, Taking paroxetine for 14 years and gabapentin for 12 years. Added L-Tryptophan and stopped paroxetine after 3 months of tapering. I currently take 500 mgs of L-Tryptophan AM, 500 mgs noon, and 500 mgs PM.


As of Nov 15th, Due to high stress issues resulting in PTSD, docs put me on 3 meds. Clonazepam but only for 30 days ) .125 mgs twice daily (Doc presc. .25 mgs 2x daily but half a tablet is good) , citalopram (Celexa), an SSRI , and olanzapine (Zyprexa), an atypical anti-psychotic that usually causes weight gain before bed. I lost over 30 pounds since mid July. It just stopped the weight loss. Took me off the gabapentin. I am feeling better than I have in years.

This great feeling only lasted a month. Back to the same old PCS doldrums.

May 2014, I am off the olanzapine due to a 6 fold price increase. Back on 600 mgs of gabapentin before bed.

I am also taking L-Theanine to help with GABA regulation


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Default long term concussion

I've had my fair share of concussions through out my life
i did have one many years ago
approximately 1970 where my head went through the windshield of our family car and there was a visible crack in my skull
i can still feel the dent to this day
it wasn't until years later that i started looking back at my school records and realized my problems started shortly after this accident
nothing has ever really looked or felt the same since
my education was well below average and i always felt there was something missing i honestly don't believe i received much of a formal education after the accident and socially i am a little to (intense) for some
has anyone here ever felt this way
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Welcome to NeuroTalk. Introduce yourself and tell us how we can help you. There are plenty of great people here.
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59 years old, retired due to disability, married 34 years, father of three, grandfather of four, Suffered a serious concussion at 10 years old (1965) stopped most driving after concussion at 46 years old (2001), Post Concussion Syndrome/Multiple Concussion/Impact Syndrome with PTSD, immediate/short term visual and auditory memory problems, slowed processing speed, visual/auditory processing difficulties, insomnia, absence seizures, OCD, 14 concussions since first concussion at 8 years old, Taking paroxetine for 14 years and gabapentin for 12 years. Added L-Tryptophan and stopped paroxetine after 3 months of tapering. I currently take 500 mgs of L-Tryptophan AM, 500 mgs noon, and 500 mgs PM.


As of Nov 15th, Due to high stress issues resulting in PTSD, docs put me on 3 meds. Clonazepam but only for 30 days ) .125 mgs twice daily (Doc presc. .25 mgs 2x daily but half a tablet is good) , citalopram (Celexa), an SSRI , and olanzapine (Zyprexa), an atypical anti-psychotic that usually causes weight gain before bed. I lost over 30 pounds since mid July. It just stopped the weight loss. Took me off the gabapentin. I am feeling better than I have in years.

This great feeling only lasted a month. Back to the same old PCS doldrums.

May 2014, I am off the olanzapine due to a 6 fold price increase. Back on 600 mgs of gabapentin before bed.

I am also taking L-Theanine to help with GABA regulation


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That Wiki is way wrong. Many here have suffered long-term effects from an mTBI.

I went through a windshield head-first. No breach of the skull, but since then...CFS, myalgia, migraines, personality changes.

The accident was 36 years ago.
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Default Childhood head injuries long term effects?

I am new to the forum so forgive me if this has been asked before. I am a 40 year old and when I was 6 I had a concussion and then at 10 I had a head contusion which my parents were told is worse. Then at 11 I had a bike wreck and split my head wide open. I had noticeable effects until my mid teens such as seizures numbness spells just to name a couple. As an adult I find myself with bad mood swings and had even times thoughts of would rather be dead then deal with stress. I would never hurt myself or anyone else. I have have has a pretty good life and no family history of depression. Could it be possible these are caused by my heart injuries? I appreciate any feedback.
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